Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Other Poker > Heads Up Poker
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-13-2007, 05:34 PM
STA654 STA654 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 435
Default $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired board


Villian calls a lot of flop bets, but usually would fold to a double barrel, sometimes overbets pot, never seems to fold preflop

There haven't been any pots over 1000 chips yet.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)


BB (t3340)</font> [/b]
Hero (t2660)</font> [/b]

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
Hero raises to t80 </font>, BB calls t40.

Flop: (t160) , , (2 players) </font>
BB checks, Hero bets t80 </font>, BB raises to t240 </font>, Hero raises to t520 </font>, BB calls t280.

Turn: (t1200) (2 players) </font>
BB bets t1000 </font> ...
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-13-2007, 05:38 PM
xSCWx xSCWx is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Texas A&M / Teaching HU SNGs
Posts: 1,776
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

You should raise more preflop, on the flop, and as your flop 3bet. As played I would probably shove anyways.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-13-2007, 05:42 PM
STA654 STA654 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 435
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

I raise to 2xbb every time preflop when I am button (unless I got trash, T2 or worse, then I fold). I don't change it when I get big hands so I can't be read.

Leak?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-13-2007, 05:43 PM
hra146 hra146 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Amsterdam, bitches
Posts: 4,041
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

[ QUOTE ]
You should raise more preflop, on the flop, and as your flop 3bet. As played I would probably shove anyways.

[/ QUOTE ]


especially when he "never seems to fold preflop" FOR THE LOVE OF GOD make him PAY. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] &lt;&lt;&lt;-- friendly advice

bet more everywhere and listen to standard beratings when youre beaten and/or when youre good. I just cant see myself laying this down.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-13-2007, 05:45 PM
xSCWx xSCWx is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Texas A&M / Teaching HU SNGs
Posts: 1,776
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

[ QUOTE ]
I raise to 2xbb every time preflop when I am button (unless I got trash, T2 or worse, then I fold). I don't change it when I get big hands so I can't be read.

Leak?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, you could be doing 2.5x or 3x and getting fold equity instead of just making it a pot builder. The "standard bet" thing is fine.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-13-2007, 05:45 PM
hra146 hra146 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Amsterdam, bitches
Posts: 4,041
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

[ QUOTE ]
I raise to 2xbb every time preflop when I am button (unless I got trash, T2 or worse, then I fold). I don't change it when I get big hands so I can't be read.

Leak?

[/ QUOTE ]


and hell yes that one huge wormhole of a leak. Hes getting odds to play like every hand from the BB.

2x raises only when around 20bbs deep imo.


edit: in this particular case its not as bad as it could be cause were "only" 50bbs deep. But hearing you say that you always do 2x raises.... hurts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-13-2007, 05:49 PM
STA654 STA654 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 435
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

Yeah, it's a leak? or Yeah, it's fine?

EDIT: nvm
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-13-2007, 06:44 PM
jay_shark jay_shark is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,277
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I raise to 2xbb every time preflop when I am button (unless I got trash, T2 or worse, then I fold). I don't change it when I get big hands so I can't be read.

Leak?

[/ QUOTE ]


and hell yes that one huge wormhole of a leak. Hes getting odds to play like every hand from the BB.

2x raises only when around 20bbs deep imo.




[/ QUOTE ]

Says who?

I've done very well making 3xbb button raises even during the 25/50 stages of an sng . Does that mean I should change my strategy because it works best for you ?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-14-2007, 12:17 AM
ChicagoRy ChicagoRy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: husng training site
Posts: 2,083
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

2.5-3x raise for this effective stack size is probably better.

Jay, maybe you shouldn't change your strategy now, but as you move up you should probably because all the best players in husng find a reason to do it.

I raise 2x a lot sooner than 20bbs though.

As for the hand, raise more on the flop so you can call his turn shove or raise all in on the turn. You should be ahead of most player's ranges here.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-14-2007, 11:24 AM
jay_shark jay_shark is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,277
Default Re: $21 4 Player NLHE HUTRNY- KK, villian bets pot on turn w/ paired b

Chicago , that's fine and I do think a 2x raise can be a good strategy but not always .

The point I'm trying to make is that if 3x raises otb has been working well in the early stages and that your opponent has not made any significant strategy changes , then there is nothing wrong with continuing using the same strategy .

Also as I mentioned in your Pooh-bah post , that if I hold k-7 and I know my opponent would call me with hands like 7-5 offsuit , etc , then nothing is stopping me from raising 3x the bb . In fact , if he's calling in the bb with a wide range of hands , then it's imperative you make larger raises .

You may want to read a similar post in the poker theory forum about this exact question . Almost all the poker theorists agreed that your pre-flop raises should almost always be predicated on your opponent's tendencies more than anything else ;even more so that the value of your cards .

I'll post the link when I find it .
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:52 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.