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Old 07-07-2007, 11:25 PM
PokerAce PokerAce is offline
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Default PokerTracker: The Next Generation (NEW SOFTWARE DISCUSSION)

I know there are a lot of PokerTracker users on this forum. I'm hoping this thread will spark a lot of discussion.

As most PokerTracker users are aware, PokerTracker is an extremely powerful, relatively easy to use piece of software. However, it is a bit dated and there are parts of it that are problematic. This is not something that is unknown to the PokerTracker team.

You might be wondering why I, the developer of PokerAce Hud, am posting this? Well, a long time in the making, the PokerTracker team and myself have decided to join forces to develop the next generation of PokerTracker. Our combined experience and expertise will be utilized to create something more powerful, easier to use, and easier on the eyes than the current offerings of PokerTracker.

The reason of this thread is not to generate hype for a non-existent product. It is to find out what you, the PokerTracker users, want to see in the next generation. What do you like about PokerTracker? What do you hate? What would you like to see changed? Both the PokerTracker team and myself have always valued and appreciated our users. We try to go above and beyond what is expected in regards to service and support. We hope to continue that by giving you the PokerTracker you want to see.

A lot of you have been wanting this for a long time. Now it's your chance to give your input. Help us continue to make PokerTracker the best solution for today and tomorrow.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? We'd like to hear it all and all input is appreciated.

Note: I will not be spreading this post among other forums. If you know of a community that would appreciate being able to voice their opinions, by all means, link them to this thread. I would like to keep all discussion here though.
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:33 PM
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Default Re: PokerTracker: The Next Generation (NEW SOFTWARE DISCUSSION)

its slow and needs to be multi threaded, thats the big two problems
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:33 PM
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Default Re: PokerTracker: The Next Generation (NEW SOFTWARE DISCUSSION)

Check out these threads for ideas:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=1&fpart=1
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:43 PM
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Default Re: PokerTracker: The Next Generation (NEW SOFTWARE DISCUSSION)

Competition (or even the suggestion of such) breeds progress it would seem [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I would suggest PokerTracker work to drop all support for Access databases and therefore focus on improving the speed of DB functions using PGSQL... if nothing else, the RVG Holdem Manager thread suggests very fast performance is possible using PSQL, and I'm 90% certain the fact that PT's SQL routines are derived from / rooted in MS Access is a killer in the performance area.

Obviously 3bet / 4bet stats etc are desired, but this is under discussion (maybe even implementation now) already I know.

Focus more on NL aspects in general would be well advised, NL seems to have become massively more popular since PT started.

A fully documented database schema would (for me anyhow) be fantastic, it is a huge waste of time trying to figure out what a certain column means / how values are encoded.

Ideally, the database (game_players table mainly I suppose) would be re-structured (or maybe an additional table linked to it) so that the entire process of a hand could be reconstructed (therefore queried) after the fact, without the HH file. maybe that is not very clear... a new table (or modification of existing table) so that one could find e.g. "all hands where I was check-minraised on the turn" for example...


Disclaimer: I think PT has been of extraordinary value, I am a happy customer, and would def buy again. I will be purchasing RVG's new SW without doubt. I would love to see both HM and PT in serious competition with each other, such leads to faster development and increased functionality for us, the end users [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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Old 07-07-2007, 11:45 PM
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its slow and needs to be multi threaded, thats the big two problems

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Yes, it will be written in a faster programming language and will definitely be multithreaded. Speed will not be an issue anymore.
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:53 PM
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Competition (or even the suggestion of such) breeds progress it would seem [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Discussion of this collaboration began many many months ago. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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I would suggest PokerTracker work to drop all support for Access databases and therefore focus on improving the speed of DB functions using PGSQL... if nothing else, the RVG Holdem Manager thread suggests very fast performance is possible using PSQL, and I'm 90% certain the fact that PT's SQL routines are derived from / rooted in MS Access is a killer in the performance area.

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Database speed is a major focus and a very important part of the new software.


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Obviously 3bet / 4bet stats etc are desired, but this is under discussion (maybe even implementation now) already I know.

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Yeah, these will definitely be available.


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Focus more on NL aspects in general would be well advised, NL seems to have become massively more popular since PT started.

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Yes, this is true. Better support for tournaments too.


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A fully documented database schema would (for me anyhow) be fantastic, it is a huge waste of time trying to figure out what a certain column means / how values are encoded.

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Documentation and ease of use is something that is a huge focus in this project.


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Ideally, the database (game_players table mainly I suppose) would be re-structured (or maybe an additional table linked to it) so that the entire process of a hand could be reconstructed (therefore queried) after the fact, without the HH file. maybe that is not very clear... a new table (or modification of existing table) so that one could find e.g. "all hands where I was check-minraised on the turn" for example...

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Yes, the plan is to have every action available via the database without having to parse the hand history.
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:59 PM
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Um.... your posting this because Hold Em Manager is coming out soon and will make PokerTracker and your product obsolete. Please don't post under the guise of wanting to satisfy your customers; it's a little late for that. This is actually meant for PT and not PAHUD since I have never had a problem with your software or customer service. It just sucks that your product will be attached to PT.
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Old 07-08-2007, 12:09 AM
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Default Re: PokerTracker: The Next Generation (NEW SOFTWARE DISCUSSION)

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its slow and needs to be multi threaded, thats the big two problems

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Can't really think of much else to add (speed is most important from my perspective), except as another poster mentioned some thought needs to go into new NL-specific stats.

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-08-2007, 12:10 AM
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Competition (or even the suggestion of such) breeds progress it would seem [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Looks like us end-users are in for some long awaited improvements! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-08-2007, 12:13 AM
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Um.... your posting this because Hold Em Manager is coming out soon and will make PokerTracker and your product obsolete. Please don't post under the guise of wanting to satisfy your customers; it's a little late for that. This is actually meant for PT and not PAHUD since I have never had a problem with your software or customer service. It just sucks that your product will be attached to PT.

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The timing of this post has a bit to do with the competition, that's true, but the collaboration and the design of the next generation has been in the works for much longer than HoldemManager has been known of.

There are problems with HoldemManager that I will not discuss, that lead not only myself, but other experienced developers to believe that it will not be "the next PokerTracker". PokerTracker is number one for a reason, and it has nothing to do with getting to the market first. There is well known competition, but yet PT continues to exist. Not only exist, but thrive.

To think that the PT developers have not strived to satisfy their customers is ridiculous. Ask just about anyone who has had a problem with PT and dealt with support. They will tell you how great PT support is. Support is so dedicated that they would sacrifice new shiny features that might attract new customers in order to help existing users with their problems.
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