200NL - Getting there Vs. a Mark

Landlord79 · #1 11-22-2007, 03:24 AM

Mark/Fish is 80/7/1 over 70 hands

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Landlord79 ($212.50)
SB ($331.00)
BB ($200.00)
UTG ($200.00)
UTG+1 ($103.00)
MP1 ($588.00)
MP2 ($319.50)
MP3 ($183.00)
CO (Mark/Fish) ($515.50)

Preflop: Landlord79 is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, 1 fold, CO (Mark/Fish) calls $2, Landlord79 calls $2, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($13) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Mark/Fish bets $5, Landlord79 calls $5, BB folds, UTG calls $5, UTG+1 calls $5, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($33) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Mark/Fish bets $5, Landlord79 raises to $25, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Mark/Fish calls $20.

River: ($83) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Mark/Fish bets $8, Hero maximizes hand and raises? Or puts Mark on FD and just calls?

SABR42 · #2 11-22-2007, 03:26 AM

Not raising this would be a crime.

Landlord79 · #3 11-22-2007, 03:31 AM

PSB was $91 (according to Bodog,) what's a good raise/fold amount?

SABR42 · #4 11-22-2007, 03:32 AM

$65.

Landlord79 · #5 11-22-2007, 03:36 AM

K, 2/3 to 3/4, if Fish reraises AI, we've got ~$115 behind, sounds good.

Even for a fish, this line of his screams FD to me, if it wouldn't have been the fish at the table, I think I just smooth call here. Is this too weak?

F1shRapeMe · #6 11-22-2007, 03:43 AM

way to weak you limp call here and finally make your hand now you are trying to talk yourslef out of betting it? I dont mind getting this hand all in verses a fish at all. his range is so wide a higher flush draw makes up such a small portion of it. raise the river against villain with those stats. tough cooler thouhg

Mr_Donktastic · #7 11-22-2007, 03:46 AM

i think your turn raise is pretty sucky

sobos · #8 11-22-2007, 04:38 AM

Definitely raise, but beware that a 3bet usually means that you're beat. I would only check this if I were a hero that didnt have the discipline to fold to the river 3bet, for a good percentage of opponents.

ps. This villain is so donkish that he might be an exception to my warning.

GT30 · #9 11-22-2007, 05:44 AM

this looks a LOT like a FD, but donk could also have two pair, lower flush, 1 pair and call your reraise with those hands so I see why raise is being advocated.

what scares me is that if he's dumb enough to play 80/7 then he might be dumb enough to 3 bet the river with a hand worse than our 7 high flush.

Am I over analyzing here?

Landlord79 · #10 11-22-2007, 09:54 AM

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i think your turn raise is pretty sucky

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Needs to be bigger?

I don't think that a smooth call vs an avg villain would be too crazy in this spot on the river. Weak leads, a call of a raise and another weak lead just scream FD. If villain weren't 80/7 then we wouldn't be having this conversation as I'd have minimized this cooler. RyanCMU is talking about improving your hand reading, I'm just saying that my spidey sense went off and I wanted to call, but I went with the numbers of this guy being a fish which, in turn, proved my gut right.

With that said, I think Sabr's bet/fold line of a raise of $65 was the most optimal. The hand actually went down like this:
River: ($83) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $8, Hero raises to $91, CO raises to $174, Hero bets $180.5 (All-In), CO calls $6.50.

Final Pot: $444

Results below:
CO has J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (flush, king high).
Hero has 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (flush, queen high).
Outcome: CO wins $444.