AK - early stage

canavarr · #1 09-05-2007, 01:33 AM

FTP $20, 45SnG early stages, still 1st level of blinds, i still have the initial 1500. no reads on the opponents whatsoever.
If I call SB's pot sized bet I'm pretty much committed. So are we willing to play for stacks here? what do you think?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1470
Hero: t1500
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1500
CO: t1455
Button: t1440
SB: t1560
BB: t3075

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, CO calls t90 (pot was t135), Button calls t90 (pot was t225), SB calls t75 (pot was t315), BB calls t60 (pot was t390).

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t450, 5 players)
SB bets t450, BB folds, Hero ??

Kimbell175113 · #2 09-05-2007, 01:40 AM

very scary versus a bet into 4 players, plus the two behind you, plus this board

1) fold > shove > call (maaaybe switch the first two, and that's what the discussion will be about)

2) raise more preflop (or pull a Hellmuth and limp-reraise)

SuperUberBob · #3 09-05-2007, 02:01 AM

I shove. Reason being is because Full Tilt players suck and do this with hands weaker than TPTK. They will call your shove light as well.

erc007 · #4 09-05-2007, 03:21 AM

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FTP $20, 45SnG early stages, still 1st level of blinds, i still have the initial 1500. no reads on the opponents whatsoever.
If I call SB's pot sized bet I'm pretty much committed. So are we willing to play for stacks here? what do you think?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1470
Hero: t1500
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1500
CO: t1455
Button: t1440
SB: t1560
BB: t3075

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, CO calls t90 (pot was t135), Button calls t90 (pot was t225), SB calls t75 (pot was t315), BB calls t60 (pot was t390).

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t450, 5 players)
SB bets t450, BB folds, Hero ??

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I think i can let this go here...SB should never be leading into 4 players (even in a limped pot) with < 2 pair. But i've seen bad players lead here with a lot less. Since the lead is pot-sized, on a rainbow flop, i think this is a scared 2-pair more often than a str8, but who knows? This is not the best flop for your hand and u have to act with 2 player still behind u. U only have 90 in there and this is one of those situations where AK has pretty significant reverse implied odds.

donquay · #5 09-05-2007, 04:06 AM

I'd fold it...there's what, only two hands we're ahead of, KT & KJ...I don't play FTP but would an average unknown villain bet into that many players with less than 2 pair on this kind of board?

Tackleberry · #6 09-05-2007, 05:42 AM

Would he make a pot-sized bet with 2-Pair or better? If he wants to protect against a straight it had to be a gutshot, flush-draws are not there, so why should he make such a large bet? This screams like "Please, please, let me take this pot with my KT!!!" to me. Said this, I shove! If I´m beaten, let it be, then I´ll be glad that I did bust so early and not on the bubble. If not, I have a wonderful double up early.

We have to be ahead in more than 43% here and I assume, we are at least 70%.

Magisastar · #7 09-05-2007, 06:38 AM

Fold, wait for a better spot. You dont need to be gettin too many chips in, with one pair on this board.

levAA · #8 09-05-2007, 07:00 AM

I'd shove it - folding TPTK is way too weak IMO.

If you bust out - so be it - it's still early on and you have not wasted much time and effort here.

I think you are ahead at least half the time here, making a shove worth the risk.