AA early, do you make the crying call?

[Tim Brice]

[ QUOTE ]
I agree that TT is about the only hand that should be raising this river, but since you don't know...

[/ QUOTE ]

Does TT really make sense here though? After the flop, villain had third pair on a rainbow board and going to be needing some major help for a straight.

I think slowplaying a set makes more sense.

I probably call, given the pot odds. 1/11.75 means we only need to be good here 9% of the time to show profit, right?

[Aaron W.]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I agree that TT is about the only hand that should be raising this river, but since you don't know...

[/ QUOTE ]

Does TT really make sense here though? After the flop, villain had third pair on a rainbow board and going to be needing some major help for a straight.

[/ QUOTE ]

FWIW, if villain puts us on AA-QQ/AK after the flop cap, he's not too wrong by peeling one off getting 12:1 if he thinks we would check with AK on the turn. Then the turn call with about 6 outs doesn't look so bad getting almost 8:1.

[ QUOTE ]
I think slowplaying a set makes more sense.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's also a stupid way of playing a flopped set... much worse than if he had TT.

[Xylocain]

I call, but I dont like it. I doubt we are good 1 in 9.

[Fluffy_Shark]

[ QUOTE ]
I call, but I dont like it. I doubt we are good 1 in 9.

[/ QUOTE ]

[ProfLupin]

[ QUOTE ]
TT-AA plus AK and maybe AQs

[/ QUOTE ]

If this is the range you put him on, is the river lead the right play? Or is check/calling a viable option?

I guess what I'm getting at is my thought process seems different from yours. You're betting out and then trying to make the decision to make a crying call or not. For me, there's no way I'm folding my hand when the river comes so my question is do I bet/call, or check/call?

Also, if you increase his range of 3-betting preflop, the board doesn't look any better (88, 99, ATs+).

[LukeSLTS]

I would tend to bet/call as hands like KK, AK, AQ, AJ and KQ will call but may check behind if you check. Opponents will bluff raise this river sometimes too. When you check you will only induce a bet from a set, a straight, or a bluff. I would love to do some math to figure this out but laziness prevails.

[ProfLupin]

yay laziness!

[HermannTL]

[ QUOTE ]
feta-
i guarantee you that even though you feel you're choosing tough hands to post, only 1 out of every 736 AA threads contain tough decisions. those are tough odds to beat. find other hands to study. someone said, if you never fold AA in microlevels, you'll be fine. that person was correct.

[/ QUOTE ]
I think every noob has to get some AA posts out of his system...and I think I probably have a couple more in my noobishness. I'm sure you remember how frustrating it is as a novice trying to be TAG (and usually succeeding on the "T" much more than the "AG"), waiting for a good hand, getting the best, and seeing it turn to crap in a flop instant...except that maybe TP is going to be good this time, and maybe that's just a pair of Queens raising me, and, and...so while you may be right that sticking around with all AA hands may be +EV there is room for even a noob like me to learn some judgment about handling formerly-primo hole cards. After all, this is a subset of the critical learning area: "Handling TP hands" and a tough one because it's a 2-outer.

[tiltaholic]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
feta-
i guarantee you that even though you feel you're choosing tough hands to post, only 1 out of every 736 AA threads contain tough decisions. those are tough odds to beat. find other hands to study. someone said, if you never fold AA in microlevels, you'll be fine. that person was correct.

[/ QUOTE ]
I think every noob has to get some AA posts out of his system...and I think I probably have a couple more in my noobishness. I'm sure you remember how frustrating it is as a novice trying to be TAG (and usually succeeding on the "T" much more than the "AG"), waiting for a good hand, getting the best, and seeing it turn to crap in a flop instant...except that maybe TP is going to be good this time, and maybe that's just a pair of Queens raising me, and, and...so while you may be right that sticking around with all AA hands may be +EV there is room for even a noob like me to learn some judgment about handling formerly-primo hole cards. After all, this is a subset of the critical learning area: "Handling TP hands" and a tough one because it's a 2-outer.

[/ QUOTE ]

hermie-
sure. i know what you are saying. but seriously. just never fold AA until you internalize that never folding AA and (sometimes) losing is almost definitely good poker at almost all micro tables. at worst, you're likely missing some bets becuase you're not being aggressive enough - but that is different than trying to find a fold with AA.

focus all the energy on TT, JJ, QQ, KK where the decisions will get tougher and you are likely leaking a ton of bets.