200NL - Strangeish line against clown

[Nick Royale]

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In addition, I think the turn raise keeps him honest; I'm repping a monster imo.

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So why did you call the river?

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cause villain's hand doesn't add up. we only have to be good here a small % of time. and the villain sucks and thinking on the river can be "oh damn, my straight didn't get there, i can't win by checking down, i have to bet to win" (while conveniently forgetting what the hero was repping on the turn.)

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Yeah, but what's the reasoning repping a monster on the turn with a marginal hand if you don't think villain cares?

[Paul Thomson]

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In addition, I think the turn raise keeps him honest; I'm repping a monster imo.

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So why did you call the river?

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Yeah really, if you're going to raise the turn you can't call the river imo. In that case calling the turn is better, which is a reasonable line if you're uncertain about how villain would react on the turn to a raise.

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against a thinking opponent, i'd agree. against a donk who doesn't think about our cards, i disagree.

The thing is that donks have street by street short term memory.

[djj6835]

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against a thinking opponent, i'd agree. against a donk who doesn't think about our cards, i disagree.

The thing is that donks have street by street short term memory.


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Turn:
"Looks like top set, I'll call with my gutshot and stack him.


River:
"Hmmm, actually seems more like AK imo, I bet"

[Nick Royale]

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In addition, I think the turn raise keeps him honest; I'm repping a monster imo.

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So why did you call the river?

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Yeah really, if you're going to raise the turn you can't call the river imo. In that case calling the turn is better, which is a reasonable line if you're uncertain about how villain would react on the turn to a raise.

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against a thinking opponent, i'd agree. against a donk who doesn't think about our cards, i disagree.

The thing is that donks have street by street short term memory.

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But the reasoning to rep a monster and keep him honest is obv flawed if we're paying off the river. And if we think this is true (villain has a short term memory loss), why would we like to raise the turn instead of just calling down?

Either we raise the turn and fold to any more resistance or we just call down imho. We just don't like to play a big pot with such a weak hand if we think villain might be spazzy.

[Requin]

If your minraising to check it down I prefer calling since your probably good for another smallish bet on the river. On the river vs. some donks its a fold, vs. splashy ones who can bet any pair here cause they're clueless call.

[spivey]

I just call turn. As played, definitely fold the river. He donked again after you raised him. That is rarely nothing, and your holding really cuts down on the number of busted draws (which were meager to begin with).

[vetiver]

River can be a call or fold since villain is a "clown" and his donk bets are really unpredictable. They could be a feeble bluff attempt after he misses his straight draw or maybe he was still set-mining a tiny pp through the river. Maybe his donk bet is him afraid of not extracting value on the river with A3, 9x, or a weirdly played set. The only thing that really matters here is figuring out how to bet against him.

I don't like the turn minraise because it doesn't fold anything out, doesn't give you any idea of where you're at, and doesn't extract value from straight draws. It even leaves you in a position where you're not sure whether you're committed enough to call river. The river could literally be any card (besides an 8) and you'll be asking the same question "[censored] am I ahead or behind?" Either call the turn for pot control or go strong with your turn bet and commit yourself to the pot. Perhaps raising turn to take control in the hand is a very good play against a player thinking past level one. Perhaps repping a monster makes sense against players that pay attention to what you're repping. For donks who donk, these strategies are bad imo.

[RickOSU]

i like how you play pf and on the flop, but the turn minraise is terrible. What does it accomplish? Just call the turn and re-evaluate the river.

[willw9]

What better hands does he ever make this river bet with, aside from A3?

[spivey]

A FH, 2 pair, 9x. He obviously has something. So if you think he's going to bet some made hand worse than ours, he obviously can be betting all of those.