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Old 09-28-2007, 05:18 PM
CalledDownLight CalledDownLight is offline
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Default AK preflop vs. midstacks (NL50)

I have no reads here and was a little uncertain of the best way to proceed. Table was breaking up a little bit and some people adjust to this quickly (like myself) and others don't change a thing. Thats also something to consider here imo.

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Button ($50.60)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($53)</font>
BB ($63.35)
UTG ($46.85)
MP ($21)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($22.30)</font>

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero wonders if its best to fold or 4bet and call a shove
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:22 PM
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Against those medium stacks, I normally 4 bet and call a shove, only thing that strikes me here is this strange three bet size by CO. Maybe I become scared cause I run like crap for a whole week now, but in my experience those raising sizes mean AA or KK pretty often.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:23 PM
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4bet it and call the shove I guess. Make a note for whatever he minraised.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:23 PM
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If you're going to 4-bet/call, why not just shove yourself? They're both around 40some BBs. I wouldn't worry too much about whether they're adjusting or not. You'll just level yourself that way. Reads would help a lot here.

CO isn't folding, though, as his stack is written in red. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:25 PM
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Maybe I become scared cause I run like crap for a whole week now, but in my experience those raising sizes mean AA or KK pretty often.

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When you're running good it means like QJs.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:26 PM
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If you're going to 4-bet/call, why not just shove yourself? They're both around 40some BBs. I wouldn't worry too much about whether they're adjusting or not. You'll just level yourself that way. Reads would help a lot here.

CO isn't folding, though, as his stack is written in red. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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only reason not to shove is in case BB wakes up with a monster. I want to be able to get away from my hand if he shoves.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:26 PM
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You paint yourself into a corner pretty tightly if you just shove and BB RR's AI.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:27 PM
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LOL, Buddha! Yeah, maybe. I'll find out next month when I play again...
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:31 PM
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only reason not to shove is in case BB wakes up with a monster. I want to be able to get away from my hand if he shoves.

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That's a good point that I didn't think of. I wonder if it's statistically significant enough to be relevant, though. Like, the number of times BB has AA or KK (about 1 in 220) cost you about $.12 of expectation, which you probably make up in additional fold equity from MP and CO, no? Did I jack the math up?
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:33 PM
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only reason not to shove is in case BB wakes up with a monster. I want to be able to get away from my hand if he shoves.

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That's a good point that I didn't think of. I wonder if it's statistically significant enough to be relevant, though. Like, the number of times BB has AA or KK (about 1 in 220) cost you about $.12 of expectation, which you probably make up in additional fold equity from MP and CO, no? Did I jack the math up?

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I mean, he has KK or AA almost never, but I don't think my FE changes with any 3bet I make really. They're either folding or getting it in preflop.
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