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Old 11-15-2007, 12:27 PM
4CardStraight 4CardStraight is offline
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Default Re: Average Hands

Ummm, pushing at all stack sizes is not +EV with Q7.

The math why :

Lets say this hypothetical exists. I am BB and you push on me every single hand always. My strategy is now to call you with the top two thirds appx.

We have unlimited money, so stack size matters. Lets just show you how bad you are when we play for 100bb.

one third the time you win 1BB.
Two thirds the time you are a 55/45 dog against my range and i win 10BB.

now read that again

You win 1bb a small chunk, and lose a big pile a big chunk. Of course well play like 3-4 hands before I call rigged game and get a new deck.
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:30 PM
RustyBrooks RustyBrooks is offline
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Default Re: Average Hands

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My strategy with my Q7 is to move all-in every time. Is there any strategy BB can employ such that I will not win in this situation in the long run?

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Yes. He can fold anything that's behind Q7, and call with anything that beats Q7. Your strategy is break even only if he's required to call when you go all in.

Now, is there anything you can do to beat his strategy?
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:59 PM
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Default Re: Average Hands

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Pantsonfire , your goal is to be the favorite when "called" .

You're the favorite against a random hand , but you're not necessarily the favorite when called .

By the way , q-5 is a coin flip heads up and q-7 is more on the plus side .

Watch what happens when the BB restricts his calling range to the top 40% of hands when you have 20 bb's (he has you covered) .

EV(sb) = 1.5*0.6 +0.4*[20.5*.3723 - 19.5*0.6277 ]
= -0.9432

So shoving with q-7 with 20 bb's is negative EV against the BB who calls with the top 40% of hands .

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I had a brain meltdown on this thread. Hope I didn't lose an street cred.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:01 PM
Gonso Gonso is offline
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Default Re: Average Hands

On the other hand, CALLING random-hand pushes with Q7o is another matter.

Also you have to factor in the blinds with these SC and jam/fold tables, so your hand doesn't have to be favored depending on stack sizes.
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