can someone check this in power tools and sngwiz

runhot · #1 11-14-2007, 02:49 AM

i'm running sngwiz and getting something that has to be wrong and was wondering if someone would test it in power tools and maybe someone else in their sngwiz... ( i dont have power tools)

sngwiz is saying this is a fold with

utg pushing 35%
BB calling 2%.

has to be wrong..
heres the HH, so you can paste it into sngwiz

PokerStars Game #92912379366: Tournament #14859675, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/04/24 - 05:16:57 (ET)
Table 'PokerStarsSample 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: Harman (120 in chips)
Seat 5: Negreanu (490 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (7575 in chips)
Seat 7: Williams (5315 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind 50
Williams: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ah 5h]
Harman: raises 20 to 120 and is all-in
Negreanu: folds
Hero: folds
Williams: folds
Harman collected 225 from pot
Harman: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 225 | Rake 0
Seat 3: Harman collected (225)
Seat 5: Negreanu (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Hero (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Williams (big blind) (button) folded before Flop

ADLinden · #2 11-14-2007, 02:59 AM

i get a call with sngpt

runhot · #3 11-14-2007, 03:02 AM

thanks for checking. it seemed very obvious..

can someone else plug that HH into their wiz to confirm that there is a problem here?

thanks guys

JacJacAtk · #4 11-14-2007, 03:02 AM

Some minimum edge setting? This call is never hugely +$EV, because there aren't enough chips in play in comparison to your stack, but it is +$EV versus any range that isn't strictly AA.

gulon · #5 11-14-2007, 03:08 AM

You can't input this scenario into SNGPT. It's too complex because UTG is all-in but you and BB can still play for a side-pot if you push or just flat call.

I believe SNGWIZ says to fold because if you push over UTG's push, you are giving away too much equity the 2.2% of the time that BB will call you, given the ultra-short stacks that are going to get knocked out anyway.

In other words, the two apps are looking for two different things: SNGWIZ is considering push/fold and SNGPT is considering calling UTG without regard to BB and cannot process overpushing.