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Old 11-28-2007, 03:38 PM
Kevin Browne Kevin Browne is offline
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Default completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

I don't have the a HH on me now but this is how how the hand went.

6 max, 5-10 NL, I have approx 1150 he covers, nationz (I have villain running at 24-12 with an AF of 2 over 600 hands) is UTG he raises to 35, I smooth call with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], everyone else folds. flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. He bets 50 into the 85 pot, I raise to 150, he thinks for a sec and calls, now the turn comes 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], he checks, I think for a little and check behind, river is the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], he checks, I bet 300 into the 385 pot he check raises allin for 700 hundred more to me, I???????
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:42 PM
ungar2000 ungar2000 is offline
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

i puke and timebank out. Very, very difficult spot.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:43 PM
Irish Mafia Irish Mafia is offline
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

I think this is a fold. Your hand is somewhat face-up, and I doubt he'd try to make a sick bluff to try and get you to fold TP. I'm guessing he had a 2(?) and whiffed on a turn CR. Then again I haven't played w/ him in a while so i'm not sure if this is good advice.

By the way, why'd you raise flop? I mean I know you are value-raising... but what do you expect him to call you with - QJ/TT type hands?. I'd rather just let him keep bluffing.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

Tough spot. You played it pretty deceptivley. I think you have to call. It's possible he rivered a 2 outer, but as deceptive as you played it, it kinda looks like you're full of it.

However, if I'm 18/12 and UTG. I think I play AA, or KK the exact same way as he does.

Weird spot, I'd be interested to hear other opinions.

OP, what is your image? How does villian view you?
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:50 PM
thejerkface thejerkface is offline
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

Fold. I don't think nationz makes that many huge bluffs. He'll do little ones here and there, but nothing this big.

AA, KK, QQ, and a turned or rivered boat all make sense with his line.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

easiest fold in life
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

Why are you raising the flop for a freecard? Would you fold the flop to a 3-bet? Seems like raising the flop is pointless unless you're trying to play a big pot.

If you're behind AA/KK is most likely, by far more likely than 2x. I fold.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:06 PM
MatthewRyan MatthewRyan is offline
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

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Why are you raising the flop for a freecard? Would you fold the flop to a 3-bet? Seems like raising the flop is pointless unless you're trying to play a big pot.



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nick is right on the spot. kevein, your line makes no sense to me. If you raise flop, u should be betting turn and river (basically if u think ur good on flop, and the board doesnt change, goto value town). If you're not betting a blank turn then call flop. call turn, call river/ or bet river if checked to.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:35 PM
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

I don't see much purpose in raising the flop.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:13 PM
Kevin Browne Kevin Browne is offline
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Default Re: completetly lost on a river check raise by nationz

we don't have many hands together, I play tag, run 19-16, 21-17 depends how I feel that day.
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