QQ on K high board

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

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Damn I'm observant!

So that said I call for certain. It could be a badly slow-played set but nothing about his betting says he has a king. It almost certainly says he DOES NOT have a king.
The 150 bet on the flop is too small. The turn 150 is horrible... and the river screams I'm trying to buy the pot.

[JARID]

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On the river with 3-1 I'm tempted to call since, frankly, his line doesnt make too much sense...

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QFT. This is a K ton here, but its also a T or QJ enough to make a call +EV.

The line villian took is pretty consistent with all three hands. How frequently or infrequently it is one or the other depends on what we know about villian. Since its nothing, I call.

[MJBuddy]

You shouldn't make it to the river. You fold this flop or bleed chips to K9 here.

[plzleenowhammy]

mj, what kind of read would you need to continue in the hand?

[plzleenowhammy]

does the fact that he insta-shoved the river change anything?

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

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On the river with 3-1 I'm tempted to call since, frankly, his line doesnt make too much sense...

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QFT. This is a K ton here, but its also a T or QJ enough to make a call +EV.

The line villian took is pretty consistent with all three hands. How frequently or infrequently it is one or the other depends on what we know about villian. Since its nothing, I call.

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The only way this is a king is if it's with another king or a ten.

What reads help us that we are going to pick up quickly at a table... that he's a donkey? That just makes KT more likely. Whether he limps big pockets would be helpful to know... but it may not change my decision on the river the the ss that we now have. Half our stack is in...

He instpushed after a card came that paired the board and put out a three flush? Looks like he made the decision to shove before the card came...

[hamnegger]

not a big stack raise more pre o get more in the pot but less opponents. say 300 . id shove the turn or call the river i woukld definitely call the river give me chips or give me death. remember all in is often a scare bet definitely enough to warrant a call. he knows u prob dont have the king w 2 of em out there you have not played like u have a king.he may think his hand cant win in a showdown .so his only shot is to move you off the hand. this scenario is true often enough to call IMO which means very little.

[Stumpy]

33 is the obvious monster hand he might play this way, although I'd expect a slightly bigger turn bet. The K on the river making a flush/trips to his FH is dreamy, and shoving is the obvious play.

His line may not make sense for hands that beat you, but it doesn't make much sense period. If I call the river here it's just because I want to know what he'd play this way, and calling means I can take a note on the dude.

[MJBuddy]

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mj, what kind of read would you need to continue in the hand?

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If he bet in LP, I'd checkraise jam him a bunch. But he's betting out into other players after a pre-flop raise into a multiway pot.

Also, HU here, I'm check/raising all-in a bunch.

[J.A.K.]

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Also, HU here, I'm check/raising all-in a bunch.

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Yep, I shove this flop HU. Shoving pre is fine too. It's making me mad thinking some retarded [censored] ball got stubborn with suited K rag and now gets to p ussy bet the flop and turn with his weak [censored].

My mistake is thinking reasonably about what he might have. I guess KJ is the most reasonable K, because 2 paints are awesome!! KT bets harder on the flop. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE A WEAKER KING CALLS PREFLOP. We can't put another penny in unless it's AI. So, as played I'm folding the river for sure and probably folding the flop so [censored] breath (who actually is good for teh pokar games) doesn't get another dime. It's 3:00 and I'm getting a beer. This hand makes me mad.