QQ on K high board

plzleenowhammy · #1 08-13-2007, 11:51 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t2445)
BB (t1560)
UTG (t3140)
UTG+1 (t1910)
MP1 (t2655)
MP2 (t1530)
Hero (t1160)
Button (t1920)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 calls t50, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t225, 3 folds, UTG calls t175, UTG+1 calls t175, MP1 calls t175.

Flop: (t975) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t150, MP1 folds, Hero calls t150, UTG folds.

Turn: (t1275) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t150, Hero calls t150.

River: (t1575) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t1385 (All-In)

No reads.. 10/180

JoeyJoJo Shabadu · #2 08-13-2007, 11:56 AM

As played...It's either a ten or QJ hearts that hit a different draw...You look to be committed. Call and look him up.

Shove prf.. with 3 limpers (I would say raise more... but you're stack isn't big enough).

plzleenowhammy · #3 08-13-2007, 12:07 PM

shove pf?

MJBuddy · #4 08-13-2007, 12:22 PM

Shove pre. The pot >20% of your stack.

That said, you're forced into a fold.

sharkstevie · #5 08-13-2007, 12:23 PM

Hes definitely got the king i think. Hes not betting flop, turn and river with a 10 or a draw generally doesn't play like this. On the river I'm sure most players know their is no value in shoving a 10 so IMO you can't beat anything that he shoves other than a bluff which wasn't played like that.

Shoving preflop would be losing value generally with QQ but still very little risk playing it like that. I call the flop and fold the turn generally the way the hand went

plzleenowhammy · #6 08-13-2007, 12:27 PM

calling the flop and then folding on a brick turn doesn't seem right.. i'd rather fold the flop if i'm going to fold the turn to the minbet

levAA · #7 08-13-2007, 12:32 PM

preflop looks good
i think you can call the river, if he played a K he should have bet more on the turn and shouldn't push on the river, but look to get some more money into the pot.
i think he was affraid of you having a K and thinks his QT,JT or smaller PP looks good now, and use the scare card to chase you off.

chh · #8 08-13-2007, 12:33 PM

I dont think you can fold the turn getting 9.5-1 and possibly a free showdown. He hasn't shown major strength so we have no reason to be sure we are beat, folding would be a major blunder imho.

The pf raise is way too small, you should be well aware that one call will entice a series of more callers. I would probably raise to about 300-350 and stick the rest in on almost any flop against a single caller.

On the river with 3-1 I'm tempted to call since, frankly, his line doesnt make too much sense...

pucks32 · #9 08-13-2007, 12:33 PM

He bet 150 into a 975 pot...this doesn't look like a value bet with a K, it looks like a stupid "I missed my hand so I have to bet or I lose" blocking/bluff bet from a donk. That or a draw. Reads would be helpful here.

Has he donked into any other pfr? Was it full pot or nearly min?

I think I'm inclined to raise his flop bet all in, even if he has a king, if he's betting that small, he likely has kicker problems. Though with four people in the pot someone else could be slowplaying, but the pot is bigger than your stack at this point, so...

Stumpy · #10 08-13-2007, 12:43 PM

Joey, hero has the Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I would raise more preflop, even though your stack is a little awkward for it. 300 is good. I don't know about shoving preflop.
It's close, and may be the best choice. In a 10/180, someone would probably call.

The really weak flop lead after calling a raise is either a draw trying to buy a card really cheap, or a weak hand that's ready to fold if you raise.

QJ is really the only draw on the flop, and since you have 2 Qs, weak made hands are more likely. I would shove the flop, because I think you'll get a K to fold pretty often.

As played, I would fold the river. You can't beat anything except a T or QJ, and I'm just not sure why a T would shove the river.