Repeating losing hand - AQ

[Annette_15]

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I'm fairly sure open shoving is a lot better than folding here, especially if people are calling as tight as JJ+,AK. I'm doing the calculations as I write this but that's only 3% of hands which means 83% of the time you take down the blinds and the other 17% of the time you're 29% to win 3050, assuming you're called by someone who covers you.

.83 * 300 = 249
.17 (.29 * 3050 - .71 * 2750) = -181.56

So you win 67 chips on average by open shoving if the calling range of JJ+,AK is correct. The numbers are slightly different if you're called by bb/sb (it's more +ev if called by someone who doesn't cover you outside of the blinds) but it's never -ev against that calling range. Against a more reasonable calling range of 88+, AQ I'm fairly sure it's still +ev but not by so much and it's quite possible that it's actually completely unexploitable to open shove here.

That doesn't mean that open shoving is necessarily the most +ev play here though, and I think I would normally raise/call in a standard online tourney. If it was live then raise/fold might be an option but online I think it's pretty bad.

Unless the table was really tight I would say raise/call > shove >> raise/fold > fold.

Edit to add hand 2 is a very standard shove against 99.9% of players.

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Whats ur cut off range for shoving here then?

[Jean]

I agree with Willd. Moreover, if you add pairs down to 88 to the calling range, I guess you're adding hands like AJ too ? So all in all, pushing seems significantly better than folding no matter the context. I also agree that some standard raise would be best.

And for hand 2, all-in of course, feets on the table [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[romdom]

can we have a regular "ask annette" deal here weekly or something?

[Willd]

Remembering it's 7 handed not 9 handed I think I'm probably raise/calling or shoving 77+, AJs+, AQo+. AJo/66 are close. I'm also not raise/folding anything with this stack unless people had been too tight.

[overthaline]

raise/call > shove > fold > raise/fold

[Rekwob]

hand 1 - raise/call all in, hand 2 - shove

you will always have a hand that seems to lose more than others but if its in the AA-99, AK-AJ range then its unfortunate and it'll be another hand next month

[Sweet Chariot]

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Remembering it's 7 handed not 9 handed I think I'm probably raise/calling or shoving 77+, AJs+, AQo+. AJo/66 are close. I'm also not raise/folding anything with this stack unless people had been too tight.

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Yeah good point, missed that! Stick it in!