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Old 11-14-2007, 05:26 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 JJ hand

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yep. other options include c/r turn ai.

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Can you really CR this turn after you cr flop?

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I'm pretty sure a bet is more effective as a bluff than anything else. Flop is a pretty easy C/C given PFR is UTG and OP is readless. Given he C/R'd the turn is a check. At least keep air in PFR's range, even tho he won't have floated the C/R hardly ever given the UTG dynamic. (his range is narrow on flop, OP knows this so he isn't spazz raising flop with air often, UTG knows this so he can't float very often) If he bets the turn you call and C/F the river. Board has paired off so there's no reason OP can't have a boat here if he c/c's the turn, so IF PFR actually has a worse hand on the turn, he shouldn't be firing two barrels with great frequency. If turn goes C/C you vbet the river, and puke if he shoves.

Anyway, I think ppl are underestimating how different this hand is than if villain opened OTB. It makes a world of difference. In this case the flop C/R isn't appropriate, and it makes the rest of the hand ridiculously hard to play.
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