WTFFFF?

[donger]

WTF is with this river play? Neither one of these players is terrible. Someone please explain this to me:

PokerStars Game #129834984419: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($15/$30) - 2007/10/12 - 19:16:21 (ET)
Table 'Slipher' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 1: DONGER ($980 in chips)
Seat 2: ballbanger ($562.50 in chips)
Seat 3: hoping4luck ($112 in chips)
Seat 4: missmuffet ($243 in chips)
Seat 5: viscount ($468 in chips)
Seat 6: berdyfish ($896 in chips)
Seat 7: DrCaligula ($361.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Trackman7 ($662 in chips)
Seat 9: lupatik ($594.50 in chips)
Seat 10: 13Ghosts ($757 in chips)
DONGER: posts small blind $10
ballbanger: posts big blind $15
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DONGER [Ks Td 2s Ac]
hoping4luck: folds
missmuffet: raises $15 to $30
viscount: folds
berdyfish: folds
DrCaligula: calls $30
Trackman7: folds
lupatik: folds
13Ghosts: calls $30
DONGER: calls $20
ballbanger: calls $15
*** FLOP *** [8s 6h Js]
DONGER: checks
ballbanger: checks
missmuffet: bets $15
DrCaligula: raises $15 to $30
13Ghosts: calls $30
DONGER: raises $15 to $45
ballbanger: folds
missmuffet: raises $15 to $60
Betting is capped
DrCaligula: calls $30
13Ghosts: calls $30
DONGER: calls $15
*** TURN *** [8s 6h Js] [9c]
DONGER: checks
missmuffet: checks
DrCaligula: bets $30
13Ghosts: raises $30 to $60
DONGER: calls $60
missmuffet: raises $30 to $90
DrCaligula: calls $60
13Ghosts: calls $30
DONGER: calls $30
*** RIVER *** [8s 6h Js 9c] [8d]
DONGER: checks
missmuffet: checks
DrCaligula: checks
13Ghosts: bets $30
DONGER: folds
missmuffet: raises $30 to $60
DrCaligula: folds
13Ghosts: calls $30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
missmuffet: shows [As 7h 3s Jd] (HI: two pair, Jacks and Eights)
13Ghosts: mucks hand
missmuffet collected $867 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $870 | Rake $3
Board [8s 6h Js 9c 8d]
Seat 1: DONGER (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: ballbanger (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: hoping4luck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: missmuffet showed [As 7h 3s Jd] and won ($867) with HI: two pair, Jacks and Eights
Seat 5: viscount folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: berdyfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: DrCaligula folded on the River
Seat 8: Trackman7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lupatik folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: 13Ghosts (button) mucked [3h 2d Ah 3d]

[Spartan73]

Easy to read with MsMuffet. She was trying to get A2 hands to muck after the turn with her nut flush A3 draw. However I'm a little surprised with the raise with Jacks up. I simply would have called thinking anyone with a better hand would certainly call a raise.

Ghosts13 no clue.

[donger]

I understand everything but the river play. You missed 13ghosts' hand:
Seat 10: 13Ghosts (button) mucked [3h 2d Ah 3d]

pocket threes good?

[Buzz]

Donger- Interesting.

My guess is neither of them believes the other.

First 13Ghosts bluffs the river.
Next missmuffet check-raises as a counter to the suspected bluff.
Finally 13Ghosts suspects a bluff raise and calls.

[ QUOTE ]
Neither one of these players is terrible.

[/ QUOTE ]That's what makes it interesting.

Buzz

[donger]

Buzz - I guess MM was trying to clear out the field and get it HU with what 'she' thought was a bluff. In my opinion, her hand is too strong for that. For one thing, the 'field' is only one player and DRCaligula is tough to blow off a hand. I doubt he's folding anything beating jacks up in a pot this size.

[brian64]

I don't play at those limits but I watch pretty often. 13Ghosts is the biggest maniac I've seen-- it's always fun watching him play. I've seen him throwing in re-raises on the river with nothing and no reason to expect his opponent to fold. Yet my guess is that overall he wins at a pretty good rate because he gets paid off when he has something. In any case $15/30 is low for him. Anyone who has him in their PTO I would love to know what his win rate is.