Foxwoods 75/150 Taking A Shot Trip Report

[Teh1337zor]

thats what I mean people are always turning the volume down and asking "You bet?" etc. It's fine if they play at a reasonable pace.

[dcb777]

leave it to me to bluff the unfluffale.

[jba]

nice report. I looked for you on saturday but didn't see you. what time did you leave?

glad to hear you won!

[grandgnu]

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nice report. I looked for you on saturday but didn't see you. what time did you leave?

glad to hear you won!

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I was out of there before noon. Damn me for counting my chips! Ah well, at least I can say I did it. And maybe one day I can put together 25-40K just for poker and feel comfortable with the variance playing 75/150 or possibly higher.

[Diana Ross Fan]

so you were not worried about being +E over the players? Or in other words, how good are the sharks and how weak are the donators?

[grandgnu]

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so you were not worried about being +E over the players? Or in other words, how good are the sharks and how weak are the donators?

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Well, in my first session I was focused on paying attention, picking out the weak players (or noticing who was trying to take advantage of position and be aggressive with steals). I didn't think about the money I put into the pots, I just played as effectively as possible.

But near the end of my 2nd session I began letting the numbers sink into my head. While I felt I still had an advantage over most of the players and it was a positive equity game to be in, I didn't feel my mindset was correct at that point and got out of the game.

By thinking too much about the money I would risk either missing value bets or failing to isolate weak players because I was worried about putting in 450 bucks on the turn and just on one card or whatever.

There were certainly enough weak links to make the game profitable. But my sample size is extremely small and I would think you'd want to have 25-40 grand just for your poker bankroll in order to play that game regularly.

There were some pots that got ram n' jammed quite heavily four-ways in stud hi/lo on 3rd and 4th streets. That game could get expensive if you start with a quality low and flush draw and then brick brick and wind up 2nd best both ways.

[Sweet]

Great report, and congrats!

I have to say your timing was impecable... I recognize most of your player descriptions, and you had multiple donators in the game. On top of that, to catch them when they've been playing all night, while you are fresh is the best possible situation. Some Saturdays, you might've had to wait until dinner before the game even started! Like any group of players, that group has a few that CAN play OK, but when they're stuck and/or been up all night, it's action city!




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I get in line behind a middle-aged bald man and I happen to have the sniffles a bit, so I make a *sniff * noise. He turns around and glares at me, so I just look away. Then I look back, and he’s still glaring. I’m trying to ignore him, but he won’t stop staring at me.

So I say “what?” He responds with “don’t make that noise behind me.” So now I’m thinking “wtf????!!!!!”

I of course reply with “what noise” rather incredulously and he just repeats “don’t make that noise behind me.”

“All I did was sniff” I say, and he turns back around. Not sure if this guy was cuckoo in the head or maybe he thought I was implying he smelled bad or something? Whatever, it puts me in a pissy mood.

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Hilarious. The people at Foxwoods are so friendly.

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Meanwhile, some Habib-looking fellow behind the counter of the window I’m not at tells me I can go over to the lady at the far end. So I get out of line, only to find she doesn’t have any greens or blacks, so I have to get back into line (which, of course, now has more people in my way, grrrrr!)

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What, you thought every cashier would have chips of varying denominations? Where do you think you are, a legitimate casino?

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Seat 1: Older guy, tall, bit overweight with glasses and grayish hair. He plays junk like 25TT in O8 from EP. Doesn’t seem overly skilled at any of the games.

Seat 2: Scruffy looking kid in a ratty-looking flannel shirt wearing earbuds. He’s got a huge stack of blacks and purples and looks to be in his late 20’s or early 30’s. Plays a bit too loose I think preflop, but does well post-flop

Seat 3: A talkative asian who tells me his name is “Phong”, he is friendly and tells me I can’t play too tight at that table. He’s been playing for close to 15 hours and doesn’t stick around much longer after my arrival.

Seat 4: Some Indian/Pakistani guy I think, he’s got lots of expensive looking bling. His eyes are bloodshot and I think he’s been playing for quite a long time. He pisses and moans quite frequently, and tends to get himself caught in the middle of a three-way pot in stud hi/lo and winds up with the worst hand in both directions most of the time.

Seat 5: Blue-collar looking middle-aged guy with a hat and a Tom Selleck stache, he also makes note that I haven’t played a pot yet, and makes comments about having me removed from the game because I’m not playing. He doesn’t seem to care too much about paying attention to others, instead playing air guitar while rocking out with his headphones. In addition, he’s extremely easy to read on the river in stud hi/lo, as he grimaces or say’s “[censored]” to himself when he misses whatever he was drawing too.

Seat 6: Itsa’ me, Mario! No, seriously, itsa’ me!

Seat 7: Non-descript asian who whittles himself down to just one stack of green and leaves shortly thereafter. Seems friendly and talkative, but didn’t play with him enough to glean much else. His lack of chips likely means he’s probably too loose or bought in short.

Seat 8: Dave I believe is his name. Foxwoods regular, white hair and glasses, older guy, fairly slim. I’ve seen him before. He doesn’t stick around very long either.


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Very very juicy lineup. Phong is a very nice guy, and Singh is as other report. By the time you arrived, another player had taken over 15k out of the game! That's a big win for the game, and it's probably why the players may have been a little pissier than usual.


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In the end, I was clearing $340/hr playing the game, slightly above my initial estimate of $100-$300/hr (which I had stated was conservative).

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OK, gnu, now your scaring me a bit. You played less than 5 hours... no one should be even thinking about "hourly rates", much less comparing them to any hopes you might have of what you might make in the game. I don't know where your $100-300/hr estimate came from, but I will lay $1 million to your $1000 that you cannot win $300,000 in that game in 1000 hours, and that's having no clue how you even play! Players making 2 big bets/hour in live full-ring poker games at limits higher than 50-100 are few and far between. Estimating anyone's earn rate at $100-$300/hr in a live full 75-150 game that they've never played in is not conservative, it's just a wild fantasy. Knowing a little about you, it sounds like maybe you could beat the game. But, if you told me that some player played that game once and won $1700 in 5 hours, and made me guess if he was an expected winner or loser with no other info, I would still guess loser based on the bias of the population of poker players. Just food for thought.

But, congrats again. And don't forget, you can always take shots again with as little as $1500! There's nothing wrong with that. You may want 300 big bets to start playing a game on a permanent basis, but you can always take a shot with just 10.

[grandgnu]

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OK, gnu, now your scaring me a bit. You played less than 5 hours... no one should be even thinking about "hourly rates", much less comparing them to any hopes you might have of what you might make in the game. I don't know where your $100-300/hr estimate came from

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From my experience with online Omaha hi/lo, a good player can expect to earn between 3-5bb/100 hands. Live the players are even weaker/looser than I've found online.

Toss in that so few players actually pay attention to the board cards in Stud hi/lo and go chasing their 8 lows when they have no straight/flush potential and will lose money in the long run doing such, and I think 100-300/hr is very conservative for a 75/150 game if you practice good table selection.

I'm not saying that you can't or won't have significant swings and losses many days or sessions. But in the long-haul I think 100-300 is very attainable if you're playing O.E. against guys with a bunch of money who just don't care to learn basic strategy and instead only enjoy action.

[HOWMANY]

Yeah there's basically no way 2bb per hour is possible in a full live game. 20/40+ people are moderately less retarded. Lower and the rake hurts too much.

I guess it's possible but it would probably require playing the game like 5 hours a month while sweating it for like 10 hours each day just to find the exact right time to sit when enough people are tilting and playing even worse than normal.

[grandgnu]

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Yeah there's basically no way 2bb per hour is possible in a full live game. 20/40+ people are moderately less retarded. Lower and the rake hurts too much.

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I agree that lower the rake hurts too much. But perhaps you're comparing bb/hr winrates from Hold Em with these other games?

I believe in LHE a good player can expect to earn 1-2bb/hr or so? O8 is significantly different in that regards, as many strong players regularly took in 3-5bb/100 hands playing online.

I know that live play is much slower, so you won't see as many hands per hour. But I find live players to be much worse than the online games I've played, and still believe my 100-300/hr is conservative in a full-ring 75/150 O.E. game with at least 2 really bad or 3-4 moderately bad players in the mix.

I don't discount the possibility that I'm wrong, as my sample size in that game and knowledge of the regular lineup is nowhere near a significant sample size.