jimmy rollins NL MVP

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Holliday's road #s
.301 11hrs 55rbi .485 slugging .860 OPS

double those and tell me if he didnt play at Coors he was an MVP candidate

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It goes both ways. A high percentage of his road games were played in NL West pitcher's parks.

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Wrong.

A high percentage of his road games were played in NL West hitters parks.

Dodgers and DBacks had above average scoring parks, Giants were slightly below neutral. The Padres have an incrediably low scoring park, but that's only 10 out of 163 games (6%).

2007 NL Park Run Factors
1) Cubs 1.177
2) Rockies 1.160
3) DBacks 1.111
4) Reds 1.095
5) Marlins 1.068
6) Dodgers 1.053
7) Phillies 1.034
8) Brewers 1.011
9) Giants 0.987
Last Petco Park .755

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I don't know where ESPN got those, but they look terrible (range is WAY too wide).

Better park factors with a description of how they are calculated.

This is all besides the fact that 1-year PFs usually have too much variance. In '03 the Rockies gave up more runs on the road than at home.

EDIT: tripod is censored. http://gosu02. t r i p o d .com/id103.html

[DesertCat]

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Better park factors with a description of how they are calculated.

This is all besides the fact that 1-year PFs usually have too much variance. In '03 the Rockies gave up more runs on the road than at home.

EDIT: tripod is censored. http://gosu02. t r i p o d .com/id103.html

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Okay, so by those better factors AZ is 105, SF 100, LA 98 and SD 92. So of Holliday's 82 road games he played 37 in parks that averaged 1.25% less offense than average, so his road batting stats are about 0.56% lower than they'd be in neutral parks.

So what's the point, that his road OPS should have been .865 instead of .860 had he not played in the brutally tough NL West

[Needle77]

This would be the perfect thread for a gary cohen gimmick, eurotrash get it done.

[ArcticKnight]

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20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20

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Games played, ABs, PAs, BBs, singles, doubles, triples, HRs, KOs, Hits, runs, RBIs, SBs, Ground outs, Fly outs, LOB, Fielding ops, Win Shares, Innings played, total bases, put outs...

Damn, Pudge is right...

[J.R.]

Food for thought:

Matt Holliday's MVP candidacy (to the extent we are defining it as the guy who contributed most to his team's winning, which seems fair since winning is the goal) should be affected by Coors field, because his production is less valuable at home than he is on the road, not because his numbers are "inflated."

Yes, Matt's numbers are much better at Coors (BTW, although he does have a unusually large historical split, as poker players hopefully we realize the uncertainty associated with just one season's worth of home/away splits), but a lot more runs are scored in general at Coors.

A run scored in a low scoring environment is worth more (in terms if advancing a team's chances of winning) than a run in a higher run scoring environment.

While Coors makes Matt better, it makes everybody else better too.

Even if Matt's improvement is better than the average hitter at Coors, which appears to be the case, it also appears this advantage is overwhelmed by the greater prevalence of runs in general, which makes each individual's contributions on the whole less valuable.

[dkgojackets]

god dammit guys the 20/20 * 10 is mine i did it first

[Pudge714]

It is dkgojackets, I assumed it would be kinda life Needle saying "He guys I came up with that VY joke first" I guess not enough people recognized you came up with it. I am also very disappointed he didn't get 20 first place votes.

[dkgojackets]

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I am also very disappointed he didn't get 20 first place votes.

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lol WFT

btw I liked the yambag thread title better.

[PokerFink]

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This is awesome.

[PokerFink]

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I choose the mighty analytical power of WARP3! Tremble before its...What's that? You guys have actual weapons? Oh, [censored]...Ummmm nvm, brb.

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We have very powerful weapons, they're just intangible, like leadership qualities and momentum (or Uncle Mo to you).

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This is also awesome.