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#141
01-12-2007, 07:20 PM
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Re: 2008 National Champions (NCAAF)
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As a Michigan fan, I think it's safe to say that everyone knows that Lloyd hasn't done the best of jobs in the bigger games the past few seasons. That being said, I love and respect everything that Lloyd does and the way he goes about handling his business. Paterno and Carr are the absolute FACE of what is right in college football. When was the last time you heard about some recruiting allegations in football at either of those schools? Both men do their jobs with the upmost respect for their school and the game itself. And that, to me, is why I'm proud to be a Wolverine. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, Carr essentially offers a trade-off. You don't get the best strategist or most creative play caller with Lloyd, but you always can take solace in knowing the program is in good hands. You never have to worry about Carr running and leaving for another team/NFL. You also know he runs the team with the utmost integrity. Also nice to not have to worry about some random coming in, changing everything, and completely tanking the team and setting back the program a number of years. So maybe it's not so bad that Michigan doesn't do as well as they should, since they are also way more consistent over the long haul, and probably won't have periods like Bama, ND, and other prestigious programs have had recently. Still doesn't hurt to wish they did more... 
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#142
01-12-2007, 07:40 PM
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Re: 2008 National Champions (NCAAF)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The only reason Carr still has his job is because of the 97 season, the last year of the exclusive big 10 - pac 10 tiein to rosebowl, when both conferences chose playing each other in the rose bowl over participating in the NC process. [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely untrue. [/ QUOTE ] I respectively disagree, without their '97 AP trophy, Carr would be squarely in Jon Cooper territory now, unless Bo still had enough influence to stop it from happening before he passed. However, I am basing this off of every Michigan fan I talk to or have ever known. Obviously, if the big boosters are in/stayed in Carr's corner, he wouldn't get axed. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Michigan played Wash St., who wasn't even in the top 10, and got to avoid Nebraska, who would most likely of beat them by 2+ scores, and for some reason (likely incompetence) the A.P. pollsters put UM at #1. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be an idiot [/ QUOTE ] lol, at the idiot comment. UM had an incredible defense that year, but it wasn't built to defend the option. Their best player (Woodson) would have been completely neutralized on defense. Nebraska would of done the same thing to um's defense that they did to tennessee's, which had comparable talent to michigan's defense. Um's offense was above average at best, and they had an immobile quarterback. The only offenses that gave NU any trouble that year had mobile qb's, who could avoid the husker's fiece pass rush and buy time/pick up 1st downs running. The bottom line is, football games are won in the trenches, and '97 Nebraska had better lines on both sides of the ball. Unless the huskers turned the ball over several times, like at Mizzou earlier that season, it wouldn't have been much of a ball game. [/ QUOTE ] QFMFT. Preach on, Brother Carl.
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#143
01-12-2007, 07:47 PM
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Re: 2008 National Champions (NCAAF)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, I would bet the farm on Auburn +4 against L'ville. Defense wins football games. [/ QUOTE ] After the way they finished? Wow. Beat 4-8 Ole Miss by 6. Beat Ark St by 27. Get destroyed by Georgia 15-37. Beat 6-7 Bama by 7. Beat Nebraska by 3. I'm not really impressed. [/ QUOTE ] Auburn is 8-1 vs the top ten the last three years with the one loss coming @ Baton Rouge in OT in a game where Vaughn missed 5 FGs. Vaughn missed 4 this year by comparison (20/24.) You can throw your style points out the window when talking about Auburn. [/ QUOTE ] How did those style points look against Georgia? [/ QUOTE ] 11-2. What's your point? That we didn't go undefeated? Good one. Auburn has struggled in games vs. teams we're supposed to beat. We would be pumped to play a UL team. We would hold our own against any team in the country except OSU. [/ QUOTE ] And Georgia apparently. What was that loss, 25 points?
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#144
01-12-2007, 08:11 PM
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[ QUOTE ] As a Michigan fan, I think it's safe to say that everyone knows that Lloyd hasn't done the best of jobs in the bigger games the past few seasons. That being said, I love and respect everything that Lloyd does and the way he goes about handling his business. Paterno and Carr are the absolute FACE of what is right in college football. When was the last time you heard about some recruiting allegations in football at either of those schools? Both men do their jobs with the upmost respect for their school and the game itself. And that, to me, is why I'm proud to be a Wolverine. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, Carr essentially offers a trade-off. You don't get the best strategist or most creative play caller with Lloyd, but you always can take solace in knowing the program is in good hands. You never have to worry about Carr running and leaving for another team/NFL. You also know he runs the team with the utmost integrity. Also nice to not have to worry about some random coming in, changing everything, and completely tanking the team and setting back the program a number of years. So maybe it's not so bad that Michigan doesn't do as well as they should, since they are also way more consistent over the long haul, and probably won't have periods like Bama, ND, and other prestigious programs have had recently. Still doesn't hurt to wish they did more... [/ QUOTE ] But this is what's so maddening: as HC, you can outsource the tactical stuff by hiring good coordinators and letting them do their thing. You manage the team, recruit, be the face of the program etc, but in areas where you are weak, you can have others help out. OTOH, if you were a great strategist but a weak head of the program guy, you can't outsource that. You can't tell your OC to lead the team or set the tone or go in front of the media all the time. So it's just frustrating in that respect. Although it wouldn't kill him to be more media-friendly. Not so much in treating reporters well (sideline reporters are worthless, so whatever), but in just providing access to the media, playing some of the positives of the program up, etc. He doesn't have to be a media whore, just not completely hostile.
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#145
01-12-2007, 08:19 PM
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Re: 2008 National Champions (NCAAF)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, I would bet the farm on Auburn +4 against L'ville. Defense wins football games. [/ QUOTE ] After the way they finished? Wow. Beat 4-8 Ole Miss by 6. Beat Ark St by 27. Get destroyed by Georgia 15-37. Beat 6-7 Bama by 7. Beat Nebraska by 3. I'm not really impressed. [/ QUOTE ] Auburn is 8-1 vs the top ten the last three years with the one loss coming @ Baton Rouge in OT in a game where Vaughn missed 5 FGs. Vaughn missed 4 this year by comparison (20/24.) You can throw your style points out the window when talking about Auburn. [/ QUOTE ] How did those style points look against Georgia? [/ QUOTE ] 11-2. What's your point? That we didn't go undefeated? Good one. Auburn has struggled in games vs. teams we're supposed to beat. We would be pumped to play a UL team. We would hold our own against any team in the country except OSU. [/ QUOTE ] And Georgia apparently. What was that loss, 25 points? [/ QUOTE ] Another Georgia joke. Funny. Like most of your other posts, you have nothing to add. Just read the forums and stop posting if this is the best you can do. Is it because I'm from Austin and your team is Texas's bitch?
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#146
01-12-2007, 10:23 PM
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Re: 2008 National Champions (NCAAF)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 11-2. What's your point? That we didn't go undefeated? Good one. Auburn has struggled in games vs. teams we're supposed to beat. We would be pumped to play a UL team. We would hold our own against any team in the country except OSU. [/ QUOTE ] And Georgia apparently. What was that loss, 25 points? [/ QUOTE ] Another Georgia joke. Funny. Like most of your other posts, you have nothing to add. Just read the forums and stop posting if this is the best you can do. Is it because I'm from Austin and your team is Texas's bitch? [/ QUOTE ] Bitch? You mean two wins after getting spanked by Oklahoma makes Texas the king? Doubtful. Nice finish by the Longhorns though this year. The Georgia comments aren't jokes. You can't seriously say you can hang with any team except OSU after you got the [censored] kicked out of you by Georgia.
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#147
01-12-2007, 11:57 PM
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Bitch? You mean two wins after getting spanked by Oklahoma makes Texas the king? Doubtful. Nice finish by the Longhorns though this year. [/ QUOTE ] I don't really care about the Longhorns in any other game, but I think everyone enjoys watching OU lose. [ QUOTE ] The Georgia comments aren't jokes. You can't seriously say you can hang with any team except OSU after you got the [censored] kicked out of you by Georgia. [/ QUOTE ] LOL is there any team in the country who has a better case than Auburn for making that statement? Ohio State finished #2. We beat #1 and #3!
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#148
01-13-2007, 09:58 AM
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Re: 2008 National Champions (NCAAF)
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[ QUOTE ] The Georgia comments aren't jokes. You can't seriously say you can hang with any team except OSU after you got the [censored] kicked out of you by Georgia. [/ QUOTE ] LOL is there any team in the country who has a better case than Auburn for making that statement? Ohio State finished #2. We beat #1 and #3! [/ QUOTE ] LOL is right. Too bad you couldn't beat the #15 team and got spanked by the #23 team. Enjoy playing second fiddle to Alabama for another 30 years....
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#149
01-13-2007, 01:04 PM
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Re: 2008 National Champions (NCAAF)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The Georgia comments aren't jokes. You can't seriously say you can hang with any team except OSU after you got the [censored] kicked out of you by Georgia. [/ QUOTE ] LOL is there any team in the country who has a better case than Auburn for making that statement? Ohio State finished #2. We beat #1 and #3! [/ QUOTE ] LOL is right. Too bad you couldn't beat the #15 team and got spanked by the #23 team. Enjoy playing second fiddle to Alabama for another 30 years.... [/ QUOTE ] In the last couple of days you have... ...questioned how good Florida really is, when they are clearly #1... ...said that LSU "staggered" at the end of the season, when they finished as strong as any team in the country... ...said that Auburn can't hang with the top teams, when we beat #1 and #3. And now you say that Bama will dominate us for "another 30 years," when we've beaten them 5 straight. Do you realize how ignorant you are about college football? Please stop posting and just read for awhile.
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#150
01-13-2007, 03:31 PM
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...questioned how good Florida really is, when they are clearly #1... [/ QUOTE ] yes, I questioned it. I didn't say they didn't deserve to be ranked #1, just questioned how good they really were. Obviously they aren't a great team or they would have been undefeated. [ QUOTE ] ...said that LSU "staggered" at the end of the season, when they finished as strong as any team in the country... [/ QUOTE ] Uh, ok. [ QUOTE ] ...said that Auburn can't hang with the top teams, when we beat #1 and #3. [/ QUOTE ] No, you said that you could hang with any team in the country except OSU. I just pointed out that you lost to Georgia by 22 at home. Obviously your statement was incorrect. [ QUOTE ] And now you say that Bama will dominate us for "another 30 years," when we've beaten them 5 straight. [/ QUOTE ] Saban will put Auburn back where they belong. Is there any doubt that Alabama is a far superior program with a greater history than Auburn? Expect that to be the case until Saban's leaves. [ QUOTE ] Do you realize how ignorant you are about college football? Please stop posting and just read for awhile. [/ QUOTE ] Someone has to keep correcting your obviously errors.
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