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Old 11-24-2007, 12:38 AM
Fonkey123 Fonkey123 is offline
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Default Battling Flop Miniraises from Regs

Villain is a regular. Long time winner. Somewhat weird preflop, but fairly straight forward postflop with a slight inkling towards calling. Fairly early into the session I got my stack by hitting runner runner flush versus his set :P I bet the flop with the knowledge that I might have to get fancy

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $200.95
Hero (UTG): $420
CO: $73.45
BTN: $204.65
SB: $174.75

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($19) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $28</font>, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $48</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $384 and is All-In</font>
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:41 AM
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Default Re: Battling Flop Miniraises from Regs

Who knows. Read-, image-, history-dependent. I don't hate it.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:43 AM
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Default Re: Battling Flop Miniraises from Regs

c/r the flop if you want to get fancy.

I dont hate it...its just so read/image/history dependant that we can't really give advice.
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:05 AM
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Default Re: Battling Flop Miniraises from Regs

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c/r the flop if you want to get fancy.

I dont hate it...its just so read/image/history dependant that we can't really give advice.

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Do not check raise the flop please
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: Battling Flop Miniraises from Regs

ChilliWilly15 (9:55:00 PM): at least bump that

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Old 11-24-2007, 02:53 AM
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Default Re: Battling Flop Miniraises from Regs

With a certain sort of metagame, I like this line.

Your c-bet range should be like overpairs/78/total air. So given that range, it doesn't make sense for him to raise your c-bet small with a set. But it does make sense to minraise your c-bet as a bluff.

On the turn he can def expect you to fold the weaker end of your range, and can def expect you to c/r the stronger end of your range, so it makes sense for him to continue and your line looks credible.


That said, the read you gave doesn't really convince me that this sort of metagame exists. NL200 regs do weird [censored] for value cause lots of them suck. Plus, I think you come off a bit FPSy, so people are probably more likely to take this line against you with a strong hand to try and induce some FPS.


Also, check/fold the flop.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:55 AM
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Who knows. Read-, image-, history-dependent. I don't hate it.

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yeah, really hard to answer
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Old 11-24-2007, 10:13 AM
Dr_Doctr Dr_Doctr is offline
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Who knows. Read-, image-, history-dependent. I don't hate it.

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Old 11-24-2007, 10:23 AM
wslee00 wslee00 is offline
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Default Re: Battling Flop Miniraises from Regs

i dunno - if you're going to do this, why not just 3-bet flop and push turn? that's a lot more believable imo.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:11 PM
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i dunno - if you're going to do this, why not just 3-bet flop and push turn? that's a lot more believable imo.

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So you're telling me 3 betting the flop is less likely to be a bluff then calling flop raise on a rainbow flop then check/raising the turn when the ONLY draw got there?

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u can fold out 77-99 and everything else calls so this isnt good?

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This doesn't make sense. If he's folding 77-99 he's probably folding a lot of 1 pair hands.

All, villain is soccertease. He's like 22/13.5. We've also went at it pretty hard in this short session.
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