overrepresenting my hand, commitment thresholds

[Some9]

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the prob is that a big raise will not make much more profit than a call because of the nature of the board. but raising inflates the pot and calling doesn't. so one question is, givin call and raise are equal in EV from a flop perspective

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Im not sure what you mean by this - a raise could make more profit if two people called with draws, for example.


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Well if you think raising has more EV than calling because of the drawy board then raise. I don't get your question then.

[0evg0]

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christ please raise the flop. these guys are awful and if you really feel like you are beat, u can still get away from it pretty easy.

if the turn is an offsuit ducket, im willing to get it AI at these levels.

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heh I used to think like you when i originally moved down from msnl, [b]then i turned into a ssnl-bot and now grind by folding nonstop

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[RainbowBright]

Raise the flop bet to around $95...a $10 bet in this game usually means that I got junk and want to see what you'll do. You want to charge them for drawing and they likely will call.

I don't want to push and over-bet the pot.

As for the turn, if two people call and a diamond falls, I could probably get away if there's a lot of action, but I'm more or less pushing the turn when a blank falls.

[Hooked]

first thing first you should have raised more preflop then i would personally raise the flop to an amount in which you feel comfortable with to get away from after that i would have to say that if more than one person calls your raise on the flop things are not looking too good but if just one person calls your raise i on the flop i would have to go on my reads on later streets.

[thedustbustr]

hooked brings up a valid point. how does everyone feel about preflop?

$15 was standard for me, it usually got about 3 callers. I didn't experiment much with anything bigger this session, though typically you can exponentially raise fold equity by betting more. Other players would raise anywhere from $7 to $15.

What should I be thinking about when choosing a raise size with this hand? Im not to concerned with disguise or consistency, they don't really notice.

[RainbowBright]

Raise as much as possible preflop that will likely get 1 - 2 callers.

[amoeba]

if they don't notice, just raise big with big hands and small with potbuilder hands.

[bilbo-san]

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christ please raise the flop. these guys are awful and if you really feel like you are beat, u can still get away from it pretty easy.

if the turn is an offsuit ducket, im willing to get it AI at these levels.

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heh I used to think like you when i originally moved down from msnl, i learned a 10 buyin lesson

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If that's the lesson you learned, you suck at live poker. Seriously.

Or you play at tables that are 3 or 4 standard deviations better than most $1/$2 NL Live tables.

Oh, and your comment that raising represents AA, which you don't want to do because it is stronger than your hand, is pretty silly. There is little difference in the strength of your hand vs. their calling ranges and the strength of AA, because no one has KK here.

Vs. flush draws, queens, jacks, etc, AA has only a tiny bit more equity (mostly through the virtue of being able to pair the board to make a higher 2 pair vs. QJ or some such).

[Hince]

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Or you play at tables that are 3 or 4 standard deviations better than most $1/$2 NL Live tables.


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This hand is a lot more interesting if this is true.

Given the current situation, wtf? I've seen players stack off with TT here, A high (no flush draw), ect... Raising certianly does not overrepresent your hand at all.

Maybe the 1-2 games in my area are a lot weaker than yours, but this isn't really a spot where I am scared to get it in.

[thedustbustr]

its more than a tiny bit, but good post