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Old 11-02-2006, 10:40 PM
abarrenfuture abarrenfuture is offline
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Default Flopped boat, confusing river action

The c/r on the river confused me. Villain is 55/20/2.8 over ~140 hands. Other than raising PF, comments about what I could do better here would be appreciated. Being deep, is this a standard call?


Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $27.75
UTG+1: $119.88
Hero: $105.80
Button: $45.15
SB: $103.39
BB: $38.32

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $1</font>, Hero calls, 3 folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.5</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $30</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ???</font>
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:08 PM
sigurrostyp sigurrostyp is offline
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

blehh. Something tells me you are up against 1010 here or 88. With 2 cards to flush on flop I'm sure if he had a queen he would bet or raise on turn so the only hands i'm worried about here is 88 or 1010, but a bluff is possible also here. A queen is possible, but that would be an odd line to take...
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:22 PM
frank_furter frank_furter is offline
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

Tough decision.

I think one likely hand he may have is QT. This would explain his calling on the flop and the turn and his re-raise on the river. U could possibly gain insight as to whether he has 88 or TT by looking at his c-bet stats. Surely if he frequently c-bets he would have c-betted the flop thinking you wouldn't have hit a paired board. He wouldn't slow play an unimproved pocket pair on a paired board. With any queens with a bigger kicker (AQ or KQ) I think he would have raised the turn. Either way, the only hands he would make this raise with that wouldn't beet you is AQ or maybe KQ. So - chances are you are beaten -I hope u laid it.
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

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Villain is 55/20/2.8 over ~140 hands.

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Push and if he got lucky, he got lucky. Long-term you're making a killing off this hand. Maybe he's got J9 diamonds? That would make sense the way he played it.

EDIT: Didn't see these stack sizes, but I still feel the same way really, there's no way I fold this hand and I feel like I lose EV if I don't get it all-in.
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:42 PM
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

hey im dumb. How do you check cbet stats in PT?
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:51 PM
theUltimateHero theUltimateHero is offline
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

i actually think a call is standard and you're getting 3:1 in a situation you're good here at least 40% imo.. raising isnt an option but i think laying a boat is very weak here. his range isnt limited to a boat. keep that in mind
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Old 11-03-2006, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

no way can you call this, your beat more than 75 percent of the time, can you honestly figure out two hands here that are willing to play it to the felt without a full house. your only chance is they both caught the flush, or initial better has a queen and utg+1 hit the flush, doubtful fold and wait another day.q10 to often here
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Old 11-03-2006, 12:13 AM
abarrenfuture abarrenfuture is offline
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

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no way can you call this, your beat more than 75 percent of the time, can you honestly figure out two hands here that are willing to play it to the felt without a full house. your only chance is they both caught the flush, or initial better has a queen and utg+1 hit the flush, doubtful fold and wait another day.q10 to often here

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I think you misread the action here, it's HU postflop and theres no flush possible (unless you meant straight)
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Old 11-03-2006, 12:16 AM
Shaddux Shaddux is offline
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

He's 55/20/2.8...Wouldn't surprise me if he took an odd line.
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:09 AM
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Default Re: Flopped boat, confusing river action

I see people take this line with any queen often.
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