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#11
10-11-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: KK deep ip in a 3b pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why didn't you repop it preflop? [/ QUOTE ] Deception. [/ QUOTE ] Deception's well and fine if you're playing with 100BB stacks against a 17/15 TAG who makes a real 3bet. Not so much with largish stacks against a donk who min3bet. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm, I disagree. If he has something like A8o, he is folding to a 4 bet. If he has something like qq, we're likely getting it in on the flop regardless. If I 4 bet, he is getting rid of hands that I would gain a cbet with on the flop. 
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#12
10-11-2007, 04:06 PM
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Re: FTP 50 nl KK deep ip in a 3b pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-bet pre call now [/ QUOTE ] why not raise? [/ QUOTE ] Read Jimbo's post above, you don't wanna fold out hands that you beat and be up against hands that crush you. [/ QUOTE ] ok fine. give me a plan for the turn if a.) an ace hits, and he leads. b.) a brick hits and he leads. c.) a bd draw card hits and he leads. d.) an ace hits and he checks, e.) a brick hits and he checks f.) a bd draw card hits and he checks.
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#13
10-11-2007, 04:11 PM
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Re: FTP 50 nl KK deep ip in a 3b pot
a)fold
b)mostly i call..depends on bet size/feel c)prob same as b d)check behind e)check behind f)check behind
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#16
10-11-2007, 05:30 PM
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Re: KK deep ip in a 3b pot
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Hmmm, I disagree. If he has something like A8o, he is folding to a 4 bet. If he has something like qq, we're likely getting it in on the flop regardless. If I 4 bet, he is getting rid of hands that I would gain a cbet with on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] If he folds any hand w/an A pf he just forfeited the 30% equity he has against your hand. And if he has QQ do you really think you're getting it all in when an A falls? At these stakes I still say you need to get as much in pf as possible, and against a guy w/these stats he could very well call your 4bet w/A8 (or any PP, etc).
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#19
10-11-2007, 07:36 PM
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Re: KK deep ip in a 3b pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why didn't you repop it preflop? [/ QUOTE ] Deception. [/ QUOTE ] Deception's well and fine if you're playing with 100BB stacks against a 17/15 TAG who makes a real 3bet. Not so much with largish stacks against a donk who min3bet. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm, I disagree. If he has something like A8o, he is folding to a 4 bet. If he has something like qq, we're likely getting it in on the flop regardless. If I 4 bet, he is getting rid of hands that I would gain a cbet with on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I think a 40/20's 3 betting range out of the blinds is going to be pretty close to his 4 bet calling range this deep. I'm not surprised if he comes along with a range such as AJs+, AQ+, 88+, and possibly more. Plus you want to start building the pot this deep and his 3 bet was a minraise so it has hardly served that purpose. So I'm reraising preflop to $9 or $10 and going from there.
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#20
10-11-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: KK deep ip in a 3b pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why didn't you repop it preflop? [/ QUOTE ] Deception. [/ QUOTE ] Deception's well and fine if you're playing with 100BB stacks against a 17/15 TAG who makes a real 3bet. Not so much with largish stacks against a donk who min3bet. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm, I disagree. If he has something like A8o, he is folding to a 4 bet. If he has something like qq, we're likely getting it in on the flop regardless. If I 4 bet, he is getting rid of hands that I would gain a cbet with on the flop. [/ QUOTE ]wut about all the bad boards that can either kill ur action ie villian misses the flop or he has JJ or QQ and an over card falls. not to mention he can out flop u too
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