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#42
10-24-2007, 02:50 PM
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Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
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[ QUOTE ] call quickly and beat KQ. [/ QUOTE ] wrong [/ QUOTE ] this time. . . 
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#43
10-24-2007, 02:56 PM
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Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] call quickly and beat KQ. [/ QUOTE ] wrong [/ QUOTE ] this time. . . [/ QUOTE ] lol indeed, but against this described villain at this level i dont think this is even a draw and rarely a queen its prolly 2P or str8, for some reason i think he checks a set more often than those hands, and sometimes has QT,J,K,A i dont have pstove with me but if you discount the queen hands and the sets and put all combos of the 2P str8s in i think its a close fold
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#44
10-24-2007, 03:10 PM
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its prolly 2P or str8, for some reason i think he checks a set more often than those hands, and sometimes has QT,J,K,A [/ QUOTE ] ?????
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#46
10-24-2007, 03:16 PM
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[ QUOTE ] its prolly 2P or str8, for some reason i think he checks a set more often than those hands, and sometimes has QT,J,K,A [/ QUOTE ] ????? [/ QUOTE ] i understand the contradiction in that statement but i think that there is some psychological effect that makes taht the case-but either way it doesnt change my decision
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#47
10-24-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
people do dumb [censored] all the time...
Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $100.20 UTG: $203 MP: $334.35 CO: $161.80 Hero (BTN): $216.90 SB: $202.40 Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 2 folds, CO calls $2, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB calls $9, 2 folds Flop: ($24) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $192.40 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $177.40 Turn: ($408.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: ($408.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $408.80 Pot ($3 Rake) Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $405.80 (+$203.40 NET) SB showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$202.40 NET)
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#48
10-24-2007, 03:19 PM
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Here's the thing, though. The real question is how does his large push affect his likely range? Barry Greenstein has written very well about this in his book. He recounts a hand where he was a huge odds dog to have the nuts, but actually did. The guy who called went into a big odds discussion, but Greenstein points out that, to him, it was 100% obvious he had th enuts since he never would have gone all in otherwise. [/ QUOTE ] That was on the river of a pot-limit 7-stud hi/lo hand, a game in which massive amounts of information are available about your opponents' hands. As Barry explained it, he knew what the other guy had on 6th after he pot-raised (straight and 6 low), but had a live two-way draw, so he called; he then shoved river after hitting both draws. A clown at small stakes moving all in for a big overbet on the flop means "he has a piece of it". That piece can be almost anything. People move in with AJ here. Yes, they do.
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#49
10-24-2007, 03:20 PM
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people do dumb [censored] all the time... Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $100.20 UTG: $203 MP: $334.35 CO: $161.80 Hero (BTN): $216.90 SB: $202.40 Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 2 folds, CO calls $2, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB calls $9, 2 folds Flop: ($24) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $192.40 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $177.40 Turn: ($408.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: ($408.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $408.80 Pot ($3 Rake) Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $405.80 (+$203.40 NET) SB showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$202.40 NET) [/ QUOTE ] of course they do...but this hand is so different: he CR, not open shoved no str8 unlikely 2P combos
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#50
10-24-2007, 03:23 PM
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Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
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[ QUOTE ] people do dumb [censored] all the time... Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $100.20 UTG: $203 MP: $334.35 CO: $161.80 Hero (BTN): $216.90 SB: $202.40 Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 2 folds, CO calls $2, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB calls $9, 2 folds Flop: ($24) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $192.40 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $177.40 Turn: ($408.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: ($408.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $408.80 Pot ($3 Rake) Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $405.80 (+$203.40 NET) SB showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$202.40 NET) [/ QUOTE ] of course they do...but this hand is so different: he CR, not open shoved no str8 unlikely 2P combos [/ QUOTE ] lol, I think you have it backwards. I'd at least consider folding if the villain in the op had c/r this flop rather than open shove.
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