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Old 07-20-2007, 12:37 PM
Daniel LeClaire Daniel LeClaire is offline
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Default 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

This was my first hand at the table. 3 bet or flat call? The only thing I don't like about 3 betting here is it commits me to calling a shove and I'm not sure how aggressive button is.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $21.35
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $20.00
BTN: $18.45

UTG posts $0.50
Preflop: Hero is dealt T T (4 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2.00</font>, SB calls $1.75, Hero ?[/i]
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:42 PM
HenkvanderMast HenkvanderMast is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

Without reads I would just call and play for set value.
But maybe I'm just a little scared.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

i would just call and hope for a good flop (hit set/under cards) and then try to get your money in on the flop.
Raising only gets you in though spots.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:46 PM
CmnDwnWrkn CmnDwnWrkn is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

I like a three bet for several reasons:

1) Fold equity - if villain is raising light, he very well might fold. Even if SB stays in the hand, you have position.

2) Low implied odds - if you do hit a set and manage to stack your opponent, it isn't that big of a payoff with their relatively small stacks.

3) Better isolation. Better to play TT against one opponent than 2.

4) Adds more money to pot. TT is very likely to be the strongest hand, henceforth, you want to make more with it.


Don't feel that you are committed if the button shoves. You have a stack of fifty, and you are investing less than $10 on a three bet. Villain isn't likely to shove unless he has you beat, in which case you should fold anyway.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

I 3 bet this your way ahead of this guys range IMO.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

i would def three bet
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:02 PM
Daniel LeClaire Daniel LeClaire is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

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Don't feel that you are committed if the button shoves. You have a stack of fifty, and you are investing less than $10 on a three bet. Villain isn't likely to shove unless he has you beat, in which case you should fold anyway.

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If I 3 bet to $8, button shoves, SB folds, then there will be $28 in the pot and it costs me $10 to call. I don't think you can fold getting 3-1 there.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:03 PM
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i would just call and hope for a good flop (hit set/under cards) and then try to get your money in on the flop.
Raising only gets you in though spots.

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This and the guy below you - horrible advice. Did you even read cmn's post? If you want to post weak-tight advice of what you would do because you're a scared player, this isn't the right forum. Poker involves tough spots, making difficult decisions and making the right reads. If you just wanna play every hand scared to avoid those spot you are going to lose alot of money. Cmn's post is perfect, I have nothing to add to it.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:05 PM
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I 3 bet this your way ahead of this guys range IMO.

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Only problem is he's an unknown so I don't know what his range is. When it comes to unknowns I find that short stack players generally have a tighter raising range than full stack players. But maybe TT is strong enough to not worry about that.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:18 PM
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I like a three bet for several reasons:

1) Fold equity - if villain is raising light, he very well might fold. Even if SB stays in the hand, you have position.

2) Low implied odds - if you do hit a set and manage to stack your opponent, it isn't that big of a payoff with their relatively small stacks.

3) Better isolation. Better to play TT against one opponent than 2.

4) Adds more money to pot. TT is very likely to be the strongest hand, henceforth, you want to make more with it.


Don't feel that you are committed if the button shoves. You have a stack of fifty, and you are investing less than $10 on a three bet. Villain isn't likely to shove unless he has you beat, in which case you should fold anyway.

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This is good except the last part:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.699% 45.89% 00.80% 372492168 6530862.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 53.301% 52.50% 00.80% 426078204 6530862.00 { 99+, AJs+, AJo+ }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.413% 36.21% 00.20% 126502032 693396.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 63.587% 63.39% 00.20% 221421192 693396.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }


We gotta call getting 3:1 once he pushes
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