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Old 07-15-2007, 03:09 AM
PleasureGuy69 PleasureGuy69 is offline
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Default 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

First one:

Is there ANY value in raising?

Villain is 25/23/2.5 with river AF of 1.00 but only after 60 hands

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $50.25
Hero (BB): $160.80
UTG: $50.00
CO: $117.85
BTN: $94.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.50</font>, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($3) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2.50</font>, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($8) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $5.00</font>, Hero ??



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2nd hand:

Again, is there any value in raising?

No stats on villain:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $106.25
BB: $55.20
UTG: $11.90
Hero (MP): $67.25
CO: $55.55
BTN: $33.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, BB calls $2.00

Turn: ($7.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($7.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $7.00</font>, Hero ??
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Old 07-15-2007, 03:23 AM
Jzo19 Jzo19 is offline
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

hand 1
bet the turn , you have an overpr , double gutter and position , i think your taking it down right there most of the time

as played , i wouldnt raise , i probably fold here

hand 2
really no value, and this is pretty close call/fold again ...so RR here is pretty bad
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Old 07-15-2007, 03:28 AM
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

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hand 1
bet the turn , you have an overpr , double gutter and position , i think your taking it down right there most of the time

as played , i wouldnt raise , i probably fold here

hand 2
really no value, and this is pretty close call/fold again ...so RR here is pretty bad

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meh, I think betting the turn in hand 1 is bad because it has great showdown value. There's only 1 card to come and if he has air, I'm not getting any monies from him by betting. Because I also have straight possibilities, why would I want to take it down right then and there?
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Old 07-15-2007, 03:32 AM
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

Both hands really suck but i think they are actually pretty easy folds against an unknown, reads make these decisions a lot easier. I dont see any value in raising, you will only get called by better hands.
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Old 07-15-2007, 03:49 AM
BevillTheDevil BevillTheDevil is offline
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

hand 1 3bet pf this changes everything. As played if villian is any good i dunno if we are gettin any value on river by raising given that alot of draws hit plus we played the hand like a draw, Sooo id just call the river. EDI: also given how alot of draws do hit here on river its probably also closer to a fold

hand 2 tbh not sure what is best. hands like this tho you dont get called to often raisin river when the board is soo cordinated. If i raise the river here its probably like a minraise.
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Old 07-15-2007, 04:04 AM
shoxbb6 shoxbb6 is offline
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

I reraise pf in the first hand. I call riv, but its close.

2nd hand, wtf @ your flop bet, make a real cbet of 3. River is an easy fold, a donk for a psb is pretty much always a 10 here
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Old 07-15-2007, 05:32 AM
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

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[ QUOTE ]
hand 1
bet the turn , you have an overpr , double gutter and position , i think your taking it down right there most of the time

as played , i wouldnt raise , i probably fold here

hand 2
really no value, and this is pretty close call/fold again ...so RR here is pretty bad

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meh, I think betting the turn in hand 1 is bad because it has great showdown value. There's only 1 card to come and if he has air, I'm not getting any monies from him by betting. Because I also have straight possibilities, why would I want to take it down right then and there?

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Bet the turn for value. If you needed to make the straight to win the hand then checking would be fine. As it is, you want to get money in there while you are ahead, which you most likely are in that spot quite often. Also, no value in raising either of these rivers.
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Old 07-15-2007, 06:06 AM
ZingZhang ZingZhang is offline
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

Shox you are on the money today [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img], I've looked at a few posts and agreed 100% with your replies to them, but I don't wanna just repeat what you're saying so I move on lol.
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Old 07-15-2007, 06:11 AM
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

Hand1: Its a very thin call, let alone raise. Meh, I suppose you have a chance to fold out a five, but nothing you beat calls you here.

Hand2: I make a crying call.

In both hands, raising would never even cross my mind.
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Old 07-15-2007, 06:19 AM
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Default Re: 2 very thin value river raise possibilities

Raising these isn't for value, it basically turns your hand into a bluff, unless you are playing against a HUGE donk. I would probably call both but expect to be losing a decent % of the time. I would also 3bet both of them pf, though calling w/ 99 is OK. And I would play the first 99 hand faster on the flop/turn.
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