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Old 07-20-2007, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

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i would just call and hope for a good flop (hit set/under cards) and then try to get your money in on the flop.
Raising only gets you in though spots.

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This and the guy below you - horrible advice. Did you even read cmn's post? If you want to post weak-tight advice of what you would do because you're a scared player, this isn't the right forum. Poker involves tough spots, making difficult decisions and making the right reads. If you just wanna play every hand scared to avoid those spot you are going to lose alot of money. Cmn's post is perfect, I have nothing to add to it.

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No i didnt read his post actually, pretty hard to read it when it hasnt been post at the time i posted. Even so when i post something,i dont want to look at the allrdy posted advice, i want to be confronted with my mistakes. Im here to learn from my mistakes. I think thats why we post hands, thats the whole point of this forum.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

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This was my first hand at the table.
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players -
SB: $21.35
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $20.00
BTN: $18.45


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I think I see a problem. First Hand? Why did you join a table of shorties and only 3 players? Go for 40% see flop 5player tables with big pots and no more than one ... maybe two shorties.

TT is fine pf against shorties to 3bet and call. First hand, their range for pushing can be very wide, too.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

Oh, I definitely 3-bet this. You don't include any reads, but the assumption is that button can be raising wide here. TT is a strong hand. Raise that [censored] up.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:45 PM
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...When it comes to unknowns I find that short stack players generally have a tighter raising range than full stack players.

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I have a completely different read of shortstack players then you. I play at the same levels you do and most shortstack players are idiots. Most are not buying in short and playing a 'short stack strategy.' Most are just bad players who want to minimize what they can lose in one hand.

I think you're better off assuming shorties are bad until they prove otherwise.

I don't know if its the best move but I often shove 10s or better here against shorties. They'll call behind more often then not.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

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This was my first hand at the table.
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players -
SB: $21.35
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $20.00
BTN: $18.45


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I think I see a problem. First Hand? Why did you join a table of shorties and only 3 players? Go for 40% see flop 5player tables with big pots and no more than one ... maybe two shorties.

TT is fine pf against shorties to 3bet and call. First hand, their range for pushing can be very wide, too.

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not to hijack but i think this was a good table to sit down at. small stacks often = scared/poor players.

someone made a great post the other week about selecting a table. the suggestion was to sit at an empty table and ait for people to join b/c typically grinders and multitabling good players are not looking for this so you attract short and medium stack bad players...i cannot speak enough about what a good idea this has been.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

Yeah, I give shortstacks little respect at all. Many of them are there to gamble, so their raising ranges can be all over the map.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

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This was my first hand at the table.
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players -
SB: $21.35
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $20.00
BTN: $18.45


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I think I see a problem. First Hand? Why did you join a table of shorties and only 3 players? Go for 40% see flop 5player tables with big pots and no more than one ... maybe two shorties.

TT is fine pf against shorties to 3bet and call. First hand, their range for pushing can be very wide, too.

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I have to admit I usually don't sit at tables with all shorties. I can usually find a maniac sitting with 150bb stacks... why sit with a bunch of people playing short?
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

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...When it comes to unknowns I find that short stack players generally have a tighter raising range than full stack players.

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I have a completely different read of shortstack players then you. I play at the same levels you do and most shortstack players are idiots. Most are not buying in short and playing a 'short stack strategy.' Most are just bad players who want to minimize what they can lose in one hand.

I think you're better off assuming shorties are bad until they prove otherwise.

I don't know if its the best move but I often shove 10s or better here against shorties. They'll call behind more often then not.

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I agree they are bad players. That is why I sit at their tables. What I meant was they raise fewer hands than an average 100bb player. They usually don't understand postion so they aren't raising a huge range OTB.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

ez 3Bet;

If he shoves, ez call ;-)
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Old 07-21-2007, 12:09 PM
Daniel LeClaire Daniel LeClaire is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: TT In BB Vs Shorty

I'm still undecided on this. If I had JJ or better I would 3 bet. With TT I was on the fence. For those that would 3 bet TT what would you do with 77-99 here?

Here's how the hand played out for those interested:
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $21.35
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $20.00
BTN: $18.45

UTG posts $0.50
Preflop: Hero is dealt T T (4 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2.00</font>, SB calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, UTG folds

Flop: ($6.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets all-in for $19.35</font>, Hero folds, BTN calls all-in for $16.45
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to SB

Turn: ($39.40) 4 (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($39.40) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $39.40

BTN had Q Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Queens full of Fours) and LOST (-$18.45)
SB had J Q (two pair, Queens and Jacks) and LOST (-$18.45)
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