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Old 07-14-2007, 11:56 AM
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Default 50NL KK facing river b3bai

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($56)
Hero ($51.30)
Button ($25.60)
SB ($58.20)
BB ($21.75)
UTG ($9.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, MP calls $4.

Turn: ($13.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($13.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $9</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $29</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $49.5</font>, Hero ???

villian was a weakish TAG and my image is LAG. I usually bet the turn but tried something different this time. I'm looking for feedback on my raising on the river and what I should do once villian shoves.
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:00 PM
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Default Re: 50NL KK facing river b3bai

do not raise rive very bad idea. Just call. only hands that beat you a weakish tag will call you with

fold river as played
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: 50NL KK facing river b3bai

Bet more on the flop for value. You should bet that turn as a standard.
As played I don't like that big river raise, since villain probably won't call without a J, because a Q could easily thinking that you were betting middle pair on the flop and now have rivered trips. Even a minraise is too much probably. You are turning your hand into a bluff, imo. I think I flat call here. Only exception: confirmed big calling station.
Here, you should fold, actually.
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: 50NL KK facing river b3bai

pot control is fine on the turn (if u never fold the river)

the river u just cannot raise for value
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:08 PM
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Default Re: 50NL KK facing river b3bai

you don't think a weakish tag calls my raise with AQ/KQ after i check the turn?
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: 50NL KK facing river b3bai

my turn check was kinda for pot control but it was more to disguise my hand because i had been c-betting a ton of flops and then giving up. i checked the turn to get action from AQ/KQ on the river or to let someone floating the flop to take a stab. looking back the J is not the best river to be raising for value, but what if it was a 2?
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: 50NL KK facing river b3bai

i would just call his riverbet.
as played i reluctantly fold to his push
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Old 07-14-2007, 01:45 PM
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you don't think a weakish tag calls my raise with AQ/KQ after i check the turn?

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No. Only a loose calling station maybe. But not a tag with that river card. Maybe he can convince himself to call when he holds AQ. But I think he'd fold everything else (except QQ of course...)
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Old 07-14-2007, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: 50NL KK facing river b3bai

Sorry to hijack thread, but what is plan if villain bets out on turn for 3/4 to psb?

I'm curious as to what line is taken if this happens.
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Old 07-14-2007, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: 50NL KK facing river b3bai

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Sorry to hijack thread, but what is plan if villain bets out on turn for 3/4 to psb?

I'm curious as to what line is taken if this happens.

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I'm def not folding and I think raising folds out hands I beat so I would probably just call and see what happens on the river with intentions of calling most bets.

also when i said weakish TAG i meant that of the standard playing styles he was more TAG than LAG but he is a weak/bad player so he will make bad calls/bluffs that don't make sense etc.

I agree that raising this river was not good but would like it better if river was a 2 or something that missed more of his floating range. I ended up time banking and called cuz i was getting 6:1 and my turn check severly underrepped my hand for how aggressive i was at the table. results in white below:

<font color="white"> villian had T9</font>
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