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11-10-2007, 06:04 PM
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Re: Have a found a reason why AC will fail, that ACists will agree wit
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Women are attracted to success and ambition. [/ QUOTE ] True. [ QUOTE ] Men are only attracted to those things provided the women doesn't have more success or ambition then he does. [/ QUOTE ] False except with men who have insane self-esteem problems. If these men don't get women because of their self-esteem problems, that's their own fault. [ QUOTE ] So you would see men in a position to attract multiple women much more so then the other way around. [/ QUOTE ] WTF? This doesn't remotely follow. More likely: Men are attracted to really sexy women. Very few women are really sexy. So you would see women in a position to attract multiple men much more so then the other way around. [ QUOTE ] More often the way the OP suggests. To think other wise is percular. [/ QUOTE ] The idea that people would just abandon monogamy in droves is what's peculiar. Why would the more logical form of abandoning monogamy be more peculiar? [ QUOTE ] As we have all ready figured out it's not just economic reasons but a combination. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly why the idea in the OP falls flat on its face. It only works for women who care only about money and that's a very tiny minority and they're already doing it today! 
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#52
11-10-2007, 06:08 PM
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[ QUOTE ] No. [/ QUOTE ] Damn I was expecting better. Still, OP you haven't even found a reaon AC will fail that STATISTS will agree with, so you might be a ways off. Cody [/ QUOTE ] OP is either trolling or a complete moran, a better response is not deserved.
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11-10-2007, 06:18 PM
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Re: Have a found a reason why AC will fail, that ACists will agree wit
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False except with men who have insane self-esteem problems. If these men don't get women because of their self-esteem problems, that's their own fault. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, it's typically true, I can link a study if you like. Here is a recent study. [ QUOTE ] WTF? This doesn't remotely follow. More likely: Men are attracted to really sexy women. Very few women are really sexy. So you would see women in a position to attract multiple men much more so then the other way around. [/ QUOTE ] Biologically, because of certain factors such as pregnancy men look to get multiple women pregnant, were as women typically look for the best single mate. The midlife crisis is in fact a myth, it's not that men are getting old in age that makes them go crazy, it's that their wives are getting old and are trying to get a newer model. Women typically don't do this. [ QUOTE ] The idea that people would just abandon monogamy in droves is what's peculiar. [/ QUOTE ] You kinda got me there. Still is an interesting conversation.
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#55
11-10-2007, 06:21 PM
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Re: Have a found a reason why AC will fail, that ACists will agree wit
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what does this have to do with anarchy versus statism? [/ QUOTE ]There are certain situations where everyone does better if their hand is forced a bit. Each person does better by defecting, but everyone does worse when lots of people defect. The state can bind everyone in these type of situations effectively. Where as no such structure in anarchy can. You could if you really wanted to replace marriage with health care, or access to justice, shelter, anything that's scarce and generally considered a need by most people. But those conversations have been had a ton.
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#56
11-10-2007, 06:22 PM
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Re: Have a found a reason why AC will fail, that ACists will agree wit
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[ QUOTE ] WTF? This doesn't remotely follow. More likely: Men are attracted to really sexy women. Very few women are really sexy. So you would see women in a position to attract multiple men much more so then the other way around. [/ QUOTE ] Biologically, because of certain factors such as pregnancy men look to get multiple women pregnant, were as women typically look for the best single mate. [/ QUOTE ] No, "biologically" women look for the best environment to care for their children. A gaggle of men makes for a far better environment than a single one. Always someone availble to pick the kids up from soccer practice. Always someone available to take care of them if you want to go out and do something else. It's win, win, win, win.
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#57
11-10-2007, 06:29 PM
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Re: Have a found a reason why AC will fail, that ACists will agree wit
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] WTF? This doesn't remotely follow. More likely: Men are attracted to really sexy women. Very few women are really sexy. So you would see women in a position to attract multiple men much more so then the other way around. [/ QUOTE ] Biologically, because of certain factors such as pregnancy men look to get multiple women pregnant, were as women typically look for the best single mate. [/ QUOTE ] No, "biologically" women look for the best environment to care for their children. A gaggle of men makes for a far better environment than a single one. Always someone availble to pick the kids up from soccer practice. Always someone available to take care of them if you want to go out and do something else. It's win, win, win, win. [/ QUOTE ]So you believe that there would be more, grating my ridiculous premise that monogamy would disappear to some extent, would be more common then the other type?
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#58
11-10-2007, 06:40 PM
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Re: Have a found a reason why AC will fail, that ACists will agree wit
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There are certain situations where everyone does better if their hand is forced a bit. Each person does better by defecting, but everyone does worse when lots of people defect. The state can bind everyone in these type of situations effectively. Where as no such structure in anarchy can. You could if you really wanted to replace marriage with health care, or access to justice, shelter, anything that's scarce and generally considered a need by most people. But those conversations have been had a ton. [/ QUOTE ] This sounds very abstract to me. Can you please be more clear about how the scarcity problem is addressed and why the state binds people in some way that is more desirable than would be achieved through anarcho capitalism.
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11-10-2007, 06:50 PM
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Re: Have a found a reason why AC will fail, that ACists will agree wit
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[ QUOTE ] There are certain situations where everyone does better if their hand is forced a bit. Each person does better by defecting, but everyone does worse when lots of people defect. The state can bind everyone in these type of situations effectively. Where as no such structure in anarchy can. You could if you really wanted to replace marriage with health care, or access to justice, shelter, anything that's scarce and generally considered a need by most people. But those conversations have been had a ton. [/ QUOTE ] This sounds very abstract to me. Can you please be more clear about how the scarcity problem is addressed and why the state binds people in some way that is more desirable than would be achieved through anarcho capitalism. [/ QUOTE ]I can try, the state only legally recognizes certain volunetary relationsips. In this case marriage is one man, one women. It's more desirable because my speculative outcome of recognizing any volunetary relationship is large numbers of sexually frustrated men. Which increases acts of aggression. So all though you really don't want to state to forbid your freedoms, you may wish it to not recognize the relationship.
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11-10-2007, 07:04 PM
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Re: Have a found a reason why AC will fail, that ACists will agree wit
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I can try, the state only legally recognizes certain volunetary relationsips. In this case marriage is one man, one women. It's more desirable because my speculative outcome of recognizing any volunetary relationship is large numbers of sexually frustrated men. Which increases acts of aggression. So all though you really don't want to state to forbid your freedoms, you may wish it to not recognize the relationship. [/ QUOTE ] I still dont see what this has to do with state versus no state. Please try answer the following as best as possible: Are you saying the state is correct in protecting marriage? Are you saying AC is correct in protecting marriage? Are you saying protecting marriage will cause more aggression than not protecting marriage? Are you saying aggression will only arise under an AC platform and not under a state platform? Can you explain why the state is better at dealing with this aggression? Did you know the lack of private property in China has led to an over expanding population which forced the communist government to restrict birth rates, thereby culturally influencing a greater distortion in the rate of male versus female births due to a male growth bias?
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