JJ with no read

Valerio · #1 09-16-2007, 09:27 AM

I actually like to minraise here.

docnuclear · #2 09-16-2007, 09:46 AM

I fold pre

Slap My Jack · #3 09-16-2007, 09:53 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I fold pre

[/ QUOTE ]

Why?

giles · #4 09-16-2007, 09:57 AM

Folding pre would be the worst thing possible, because of set value.

Oct0puz · #5 09-16-2007, 10:03 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Folding pre would be the worst thing possible, because of set value.

[/ QUOTE ]

You have not set value. If you call you do it to stack off on a flop like this. Folding PF is at worst a small mistake.

Slap My Jack · #6 09-16-2007, 10:07 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Folding pre would be the worst thing possible, because of set value.

[/ QUOTE ]

You have not set value. If you call you do it to stack off on a flop like this. Folding PF is at worst a small mistake.

[/ QUOTE ]

We have some set value and some value playing it as an overpair. We're not eager to stack off either.

Oct0puz · #7 09-16-2007, 10:13 AM

[ QUOTE ]
We have some set value and some value playing it as an overpair.

[/ QUOTE ]

Saw the stack sizes so maybe we have som set value, but it's very marginal.

[ QUOTE ]
We're not eager to stack off either.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you mean that you call the flop bet and fold when he fires again on the turn?

Nick Royale · #8 09-16-2007, 10:20 AM

I think like the pf call and I call the flop too. I think he'll shut down with AK most often.

Slap My Jack · #9 09-16-2007, 10:29 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
We have some set value and some value playing it as an overpair.

[/ QUOTE ]

Saw the stack sizes so maybe we have som set value, but it's very marginal.

[/ QUOTE ]

No it's not "very marginal" especially when our opponent is more likely to have a big hand and be willing to stack off postflop. We just got 3bet from the [censored] blinds.

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
We're not eager to stack off either.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you mean that you call the flop bet and fold when he fires again on the turn?

[/ QUOTE ]

When he fires again on the turn? You mean if he fires again on the turn. And most likely without a read. Having QQ here isn't much better (except that we don't have to worry about being beat by QQ too). If the turn becomes a spade we can consider calling another barrel though.