Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Medium Stakes
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-02-2007, 03:22 PM
ikestoys ikestoys is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: I\'m not folding, stop bluffing
Posts: 5,642
Default Whee two pairs... [censored].

Villain is 25/17/2, is very active on the button, but generally isn't very aggressive. For example:
Pre: Limps UTG, I rase button with AK. Hit an ace and take him to valuetown against his AJ.

My image should be lagtard.

So on to the hand.
Villain is button.
I'm bb. My hand 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9:heart

Pre
He raises to 35. I call.
<font color="blue">Could have three bet, but decided to flatcall here as my image was pretty out of line and villain is pretty weak postflop, so I just took a flop. </font>
Flop - Pot (75)
1093r
I check, he bets 60, I raise to 210, He calls.
Turn (495)
3
<font color=" blue">He has about 750 left and I hate all my options</font>

His range on the flop seems to me any 10, QJ, overpairs and sets. Is this really a c/f?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-02-2007, 03:30 PM
nextgenneo nextgenneo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Grinding
Posts: 1,838
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

[ QUOTE ]
His range on the flop seems to me any 10, QJ, overpairs and sets.

[/ QUOTE ]


Board: Td 9c 3s 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.303% 55.33% 00.97% 1826 32.00 { Th9h }
Hand 1: 43.697% 42.73% 00.97% 1410 32.00 { 99+, 33, ATs, KTs, QTs, QJs, JTs, ATo, KTo, QTo, QJo, JTo }

and if you add 78 your 61%

<font color="blue">So v-bet</font>
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-02-2007, 03:36 PM
Jamougha Jamougha is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Learning to read the board
Posts: 9,246
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

I think he will check behind most of the hands that you beat if he's passive. You let yourself get bluffed by QJ but such is life. cf.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-02-2007, 03:45 PM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,587
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

[ QUOTE ]
I think he will check behind most of the hands that you beat if he's passive. You let yourself get bluffed by QJ but such is life. cf.

[/ QUOTE ]

miss value imo
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-02-2007, 03:51 PM
Jamougha Jamougha is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Learning to read the board
Posts: 9,246
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I think he will check behind most of the hands that you beat if he's passive. You let yourself get bluffed by QJ but such is life. cf.

[/ QUOTE ]

miss value imo

[/ QUOTE ]

If he checks we can value bet the river. In this situation where our equity is close to 50% and stacks being what they are I would prefer to have villain let us play near-optimally than to go for absolute max value.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-02-2007, 04:02 PM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,587
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

nvm


but i don't see why you would prefer near-optimal over optimal. depsite awkward stack sizes [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-02-2007, 06:44 PM
Lefort Lefort is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Having coffee w/ your girlfriend
Posts: 1,047
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

[ QUOTE ]
I think he will check behind most of the hands that you beat if he's passive. You let yourself get bluffed by QJ but such is life. cf.

[/ QUOTE ]
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-02-2007, 07:06 PM
d2themfi d2themfi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 3 weeks till 21st!!!
Posts: 770
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

if hes folding qt and jt then yeah just c/f but if not keep betting like 2/3 pot or something
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-02-2007, 06:08 PM
ikestoys ikestoys is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: I\'m not folding, stop bluffing
Posts: 5,642
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
His range on the flop seems to me any 10, QJ, overpairs and sets.

[/ QUOTE ]


Board: Td 9c 3s 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.303% 55.33% 00.97% 1826 32.00 { Th9h }
Hand 1: 43.697% 42.73% 00.97% 1410 32.00 { 99+, 33, ATs, KTs, QTs, QJs, JTs, ATo, KTo, QTo, QJo, JTo }

and if you add 78 your 61%

<font color="blue">So v-bet</font>

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah, but I dont think he's gonna pay me with J10 or Q10 very often.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-02-2007, 08:20 PM
Novles Novles is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,389
Default Re: Whee two pairs... [censored].

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
His range on the flop seems to me any 10, QJ, overpairs and sets.

[/ QUOTE ]


Board: Td 9c 3s 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.303% 55.33% 00.97% 1826 32.00 { Th9h }
Hand 1: 43.697% 42.73% 00.97% 1410 32.00 { 99+, 33, ATs, KTs, QTs, QJs, JTs, ATo, KTo, QTo, QJo, JTo }

and if you add 78 your 61%

<font color="blue">So v-bet</font>

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah, but I dont think he's gonna pay me with J10 or Q10 very often.

[/ QUOTE ]

really? even w/ your image and making 33 even less likely for you after the turn? I saw some dude call a shove w/ K high no draw in your video.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.