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Old 11-22-2007, 02:49 PM
Shattered Shattered is offline
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Default Re: KK and terrible flop

I don't think everything you post is wrong, in fact I respect a lot of your advice. I just don't feel the need to respond to the ones I agree with. I'll give it one more try.

Your line: Bet/fold flop, check/fold turn, check/fold river.

My line: Check/call flop, check/fold turn and check/fold river. Maybe throw in a valuebet on the turn or river if flop went check/check.

First off, reasons to bet as opposed to check.
1. For protection. Villain has at most 4 outs and isn't going to be stacking you even if he hits.
2. For value. No worse hand calls.
3. As a bluff. No better hand folds
4. For information. This alone is usually not enough to bet anyways. In this case, it most definitely is not, as you get THE SAME INFORMATION when you check/call: Another bet means he has you beat.

In both cases, you've invested the same amount of money after the flop and you're not going to be putting in any more, as villain will virtually never be betting twice without you crushed. The only difference is, in my scenario, sometimes you're still ahead after the flop. In your line, you never are.

With that, I'm done with this thread.
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