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11-22-2007, 12:41 PM
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Re: KK and terrible flop
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C-bet the flop b/c low limit players bluff at paired flops like... every time. With a flop this threatening, it's true that he might not call unless he has us beat [/ QUOTE ] This is an extremely good reason to c/c. Your hand has decent SD value but you're not getting any money out of worse hands by betting the flop. Furthermore, it's not like he's going to be improving on a board like this. I check the flop for pot control and call one bet, and I fold if he bets again; a 42/6/.6 doesn't have the cojones to double barrel you without an ace or a ten. I also put in a bet on the turn or river to try and get value out of worse pocket pairs when checked back to. 
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#2
11-22-2007, 12:55 PM
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Re: KK and terrible flop
Played fine... turn is EZ give up... He has A6o. Seen this a billion times.. He isnt folding it either BTW
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#3
11-22-2007, 12:56 PM
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Re: KK and terrible flop
I never c-bet here against unknowns and bad players. Turning your hand into a bluff against calling stations when you have SD value is bad, and why do you want to make him fold those low pocket pairs? Because you're going to get stacked when they hit their two-outer?
Checking flop makes it more like for you to be called with some sort of garbage gutshot on the turn or a low pocket pair; it's nonsensical, but fish do it.
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#4
11-22-2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: KK and terrible flop
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I never c-bet here against unknowns and bad players. Turning your hand into a bluff against calling stations when you have SD value is bad, and why do you want to make him fold those low pocket pairs? Because you're going to get stacked when they hit their two-outer? Checking flop makes it more like for you to be called with some sort of garbage gutshot on the turn or a low pocket pair; it's nonsensical, but fish do it. [/ QUOTE ] In position i think this has merit
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#5
11-22-2007, 01:05 PM
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Re: KK and terrible flop
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Checking flop makes it more like for you to be called with some sort of garbage gutshot on the turn or a low pocket pair; it's nonsensical, but fish do it. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean it's more likely for you to get called on the turn if you bet with some sort of garbage? Not sure what you're saying... Edit: I think what gestalt is trying to do on the flop with a bet is define our hand. He's saying by getting called by an A or T let's us know that we're beat, and we can then confidently and accurately fold to further betting
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#6
11-22-2007, 12:55 PM
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Re: KK and terrible flop
I don't like c/c and then checking it down- betting 4 on the flop probably makes him fold those lower pocket pairs. i think it's even more unlikely for 42/6/.6 to call a bet on the flop with a hand like 88 and then fire once again on the turn or river after we shut down than it is for him to double barrel. seems like a good place for him to check behind. I agree with folding if he fires on turn or river.
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