Random Preflop Frequencies Question

[JSchnett]

just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.

[gobboboy]

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just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.

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[pegusus]

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just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.

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yea, i'd wager that given his stack and pf raise you're getting it all a lot more often if you re-pop here than flatting

[BKiCe]

i don't understand the assumption "well, he 4x'd, therefore he is gonna stack off almost always" - on what basis do you guys make this assumption? i would expect villain to fold to our raise at least 75% of the time if not more - am i way off? seems like i used the thinking "well he's 4xing it he is def coming along for his whole stack" about 3 months ago, never got any action when i reraised 4xers, and completely abandoned that line of thinking

[betgo]

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just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.

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Just reraise preflop. I don't know if villain stacks off, but he almost always calls the reraise when he 4xs it. You need to reraise and build the pot.

[BKiCe]

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just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.

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Just reraise preflop. I don't know if villain stacks off, but he almost always calls the reraise when he 4xs it. You need to reraise and build the pot.

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what's the point of building the pot? villain has ~5 PSBs left with three streets of action left, i don't see "building the pot" as a valid reason to reraise

[YBravo]

I reraise here even though it's higher variance because it makes the hand a lot easier to play. If he shoves, yay! If he even just calls and then checks the flop, I think we are bet/calling a shove on any flop except maybe KQJ. However if we call behind, raise his flop bet and then he shoves, we are put in a tough spot because we haven't defined our hand very well.

[betgo]

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I reraise here even though it's higher variance because it makes the hand a lot easier to play. If he shoves, yay! If he even just calls and then checks the flop, I think we are bet/calling a shove on any flop except maybe KQJ. However if we call behind, raise his flop bet and then he shoves, we are put in a tough spot because we haven't defined our hand very well.

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I don't see how reraising is higher variance. If you reraise, you often win a medium sized pot when villain folds preflop, on the flop, or on the turn.

If you flat call, you usually get stacked by hands that are ahead of you (as happens whne you reraise and are called). Sometimes you win a big pot, but often you just get a cbet if villain misses.

KQJ is not that bad a flop for AA and I wouldn't fold it unless the preflop action strongly indicated villain has a big pair. Villain could easily give you action with hands you are ahead of. If you are behind, you have tons of outs to make top set, broadway, or aces up, and sometimes a nut flush.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

445,500 games 0.016 secs 27,843,750 games/sec

Board: Ks Qh Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.865% 62.51% 03.36% 278472 14958.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 34.135% 30.78% 03.36% 137112 14958.00 { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }


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[curtains]

This thread is retardo, sorry. Gee someone random raised and we have AA, what do we do? Cmon.

Also betgo your analysis against the KQJ flop is a bit silly because ok even if they have 77, 88, A9s they are almost always going to just check fold those hands, or at least they are very unlikely to try bluffing with them. The real question is what are they actually putting money in the pot with after that flop. Okay I'm not saying you shouldn't play the hand past the flop, but seems like just calculating the odds against their entire range doesn't make much sense.

[curtains]

Your friend has a bad understanding of poker, saying that reraising is flat out bad is simply ridiculous. If you wanna call be my guest, but reraising is obviously completely fine and standard and it's what I would do the LARGE majority of the time against a typical random opponent.