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#1
11-30-2007, 02:48 AM
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Re: two very deep live hands check @ commerce , need help*
PT: Once i hit that A i was trying to do a pot control...didn't work after all...haha. I think there is a decent chance he would fold if i raise the flop/push the turn...o well...
Ansky: hand 1)commerce people are very cally...but this villain doesnt look like he will call a 300BB donk lead on the flop with even AA in this spot. maybe he would...o well hand Limon: I should've donked more on the flop. and for hand 2...i did call fairly quickly. i will post the result later. Thanks for the replies! 
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#2
11-30-2007, 05:38 AM
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Re: two very deep live hands check @ commerce , need help*
The reason why Commerce is so great is because there are so many games and players playing poker there. So of course you will hear stuff about how crazy the action is there. But there are a lot of regulars who are nitty as hell. especially the older guys.
Hand 1) given the description of the opponent I like donking the turn. Some guys who are tight hate to fold aces though, Ansky's argument should be considered. Hand 2)I don't like raising on the flop here because you guys are so deep and your implied odds are so good. and if he reraises you probly have to fold if the guy is really tight pf and reraises seldom OOP. Two arguments for raising would be 1) if the player reraises light in that spot, but usually in live games his hand is jj or better a lot of the time here. 2) he respects your raises on this flop too much and will fold AA or KK often enough here, which I doubt. That river play is sooo sick. I don't know what I would do looks like such a good spot to make a hero call, but that really depends on one thing do you think this guy is capable of making a move like that on the river? a lot of deep stackers will bluff and semibluff but won't risk all there chips on a pure bluff. but god I don't know what to put him on. he's probly bluffing often enough to justify a call.
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#3
11-30-2007, 07:20 AM
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Re: two very deep live hands check @ commerce , need help*
Hand 1: Play this a lot faster. You raised UTG+1, you have a tight image and it's the commerce. He's probably going to put you on JJ/QQ/KK, and it's plenty common to see all the money get in there with those hands against AA on that board. Just make a smallish re-raise and keep betting till all the money is in there. Don't get fancy.
Hand 2: I like your line, and you should probably fold the river. Live players don't do huge river check/raise bluffs that much.
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#4
11-30-2007, 09:40 PM
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Re: two very deep live hands check @ commerce , need help*
hand one i put him on QQ+ for sure...possibly AK but most likely QQ KK AA. I agree that i should donk more on the flop and more on the turn, but i doubt he's calling my turn bet anyways with his holdings, hes hella nitty but hes definitely a thinking player.
Hand2 I am just completely lost...i couldnt put him on a hand. for those who plays in commerce...hes a short dark looking indian guy...about 28 years old or so. he is good, not sure if he is a regular though, and he's definitely capable of bluffing this river here( i think ). Thanks for the analysis, hope there is more discussion and i will post the result.
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#5
11-30-2007, 10:04 PM
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Re: two very deep live hands check @ commerce , need help*
Pls pls pls either bet3bet flop in hand 1 or I even think checkraising semi big is really really good. Just think of what your hand looks like in his eyes...966...checkraise big looks like a scared QQ-TT "trying to find out where you are at" or even just KK...nobody would ever checkraise big with 99 there...you will double through so so easily..even by a nit...nines full simply makes no sense if you take that line...A small 3bet with the line you took accomplishes the very same thought process in villain's mind...just contemplate for like 30-45 seconds and make it $2500...the problem with just smoothcalling the reraise vs the villain you described is that since you assume he is not a retard then most people who arent retarded will simply check turn behind for pot control as evidenced
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#6
12-01-2007, 12:08 AM
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Re: two very deep live hands check @ commerce , need help*
Hand 1: i like a 3bet on the flop, his line screams AA and your hand appears more like KK, QQ, or JJ rather than 99
Hand 2: i posted a hand almost exactly like this awhile ago. i think your good here like 60% of the time, i cant see him checking the turn and river with a monster, but its really player dependent. is the indian guy more like 38+? was he wearing an old style hat?
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