KK in SB 0.50/1.00

rhayder · #1 11-25-2007, 04:13 AM

Read: 8.5/3/1.4/2.5/3.0 324 Hands

Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

UTG+1 ($62.15)
UTG+2 ($74.40)
MP1 ($55.60)
MP2 ($11.53)
MP3 ($20.75)
CO ($38.77)
Button ($43.75)
SB ($15.85) (Hero)
BB ($61.80)
UTG ($17.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
5 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, 1 folds, CO calls, Button raises, Hero raises, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, CO calls,

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 11.25BB )
Hero bets, 1 folds, Button calls,

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 12.25BB )
Hero bets, Button calls,

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 14.25BB )
Hero bets, Button calls,

neurotiq · #2 11-25-2007, 04:47 AM

So, button 5bets preflop? Or is this an error in the converter?

If button did, indeed, put in the 5th and final raise preflop, I'd go for a c/r on the flop.

Turn and river look great. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

rhayder · #3 11-25-2007, 05:16 AM

Yes 5 bet is correct. No converter error.

Mitke · #4 11-25-2007, 05:17 AM

On the flop:

AA is 6 combos
QQ is 2 combos
AQ is 12 combos but I doubt any of them are in his range given those stats.

KK is 1 combo
AK is 8 combos but should probably be discounted a bit.
JJ is 6 combos but should probably be discounted.

This looks like wa/wb to me. Most likely it's chop or beat though... I guess I wouldn't mind a c/c on the big streets either to avoid a raise.

Mitke · #5 11-25-2007, 01:28 PM

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If button did, indeed, put in the 5th and final raise preflop, I'd go for a c/r on the flop.

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Could you explain your reasons for a c/r here?

The pot is very big so maybe getting 2-3 out hands to fold is good. AA or KK will not fold I think. Qx may fold but it only has 2 outs any way. AQ has 5 outs but it is the only hand that has more than 3.

Or are you going for value? Against the nit's probable range that doesn't look like a good idea to me.

neurotiq · #6 11-25-2007, 04:45 PM

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Could you explain your reasons for a c/r here?

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Sure. He capped preflop, so I'm putting him on a premium hand that isn't likely to fold (even JJ usually calls down after capping preflop and AK will usually c-bet the flop and call a raise, but fold the turn whether I check/raise or not).

There are 16 combos of AK and 6 combos of JJ (22 total combos) that I beat. There are 6 combos of AA and 3 combos of QQ (9 total combos) that I lose to. There's only one remaining combo of KK for the chop. This means I'm ahead a lot more often than I'm behind.

So, I extract maximum value in my flop c/r. If he 3bets, then I can call down.

Mitke · #7 11-25-2007, 06:11 PM

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Could you explain your reasons for a c/r here?

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Sure. He capped preflop, so I'm putting him on a premium hand that isn't likely to fold (even JJ usually calls down after capping preflop and AK will usually c-bet the flop and call a raise, but fold the turn whether I check/raise or not).

There are 16 combos of AK and 6 combos of JJ (22 total combos) that I beat. There are 6 combos of AA and 3 combos of QQ (9 total combos) that I lose to. There's only one remaining combo of KK for the chop. This means I'm ahead a lot more often than I'm behind.

So, I extract maximum value in my flop c/r. If he 3bets, then I can call down.

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There's only 8 combos of AK. Hero holds two Kings. That doesn't of course change your reasoning behind the c/r. Now it would be 14 combos you beat vs 9 you don't.

IMHO, I'd discount the JJ and AK because of Villain's very nitty stats and I'd discount them enough that a c/r doesn't look appealing to me, regardless that c/r looking the best way to lose CO from the big pot.

Nevertheless, we are in guesstimate land now so there is no point in arguing that much further. There's a small chance that my guesstimate has become results oriented too.

I can't see faults in your logic for the c/r or your plan for the rest of the hand, just the premises.

TimovieMan · #8 11-27-2007, 05:14 AM

OP has often said he plays at Everest, and Everest has a 5-bet cap, not a 4-bet cap. And when HU it's not capped at all.
Stats look very much like VP$IP/PFR/FlopAF/TurnAF/RiverAF, so I just went from there.

Preflop villain is pretty much screaming "I HAS ACES!!!!" yet for someone with decent aggressiveness-stats (although given his tightness, they're not all-out aggro), he just went into calldown mode postflop.
Is he fearing QQ, or is he fearing we have an overpair? His calldown looks fishy. If he has aces, he'd normally raise the flop. He didn't. So I'm not discounting AK, AQ and the likes. It wouldn't be the first time that a tightwad with only 1% PFR had some weird hands in his PFR-range.
Does OP have a read on specific hands he PFR'ed??? If he doesn't, that means he's not showing them down, so maybe he DOESN'T PFR aces and kings, but more exotic things like ATs and the likes?

As far as the hand itself, without other reads, I'd still go with a b/c-line for the flop, and if we don't get raised, keep at that, else c/c.
So I see nothing wrong whatsoever with the way this was played...

Mitke · #9 11-25-2007, 05:42 AM

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Read: 8.5/3/1.4/2.5/3.0 324 Hands

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Btw, are these vpip/pfr/ and AF per postflop street?

That's how I interpreted it, and pfr I used to narrow his range to those I listed.

Aaron W. · #10 11-25-2007, 12:54 PM

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8 VPIP, 3 PFR? I don't like when a nit limp/5-bets. Check-call and hope you don't see AA. If he's doing something stupid with random cards for some unknown reason, you don't want to slow him down.