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Old 10-15-2007, 05:38 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

Ok, at the time I thought the river was pretty close. Afterwards I thought it was pretty clear, but I just wanted to check.

I also might consider betting the turn in situations like this more often. If I hadn't bet the turn I would have bet as a 2nd barrel alot, often to set up for a river shove if called.

Thanks for the replies.
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Old 10-16-2007, 07:36 AM
killer_be_99 killer_be_99 is offline
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

why bet the flop?
no need to be a hero.
got 2 others in the hand. You have scoi dush. Nothing.
In your case if you bet the flop and you get a caller you should have blocker bet the turn to see maybe 1/2 of pot to see what he does.. if he calls then you have to let the hand go.. he might fold or raise too.. Then you know where you are at
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Old 10-15-2007, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

I agree if he bets < 100 I call. I'm confused by his pot size bet... not really sure in this spot.
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

I don't think calling or folding can be all that bad here, but I think I lean towards a call after you check the turn. You've essentially repped AK here although I can't imagine who pots for value on this board unless that's his standard with 88-1010 though I doubt it given stats and read (and if he has JJ/77/44/22 it's a pretty stupid line to take). I just wonder what your range looks like to him at the river besides AK/AQ and maybe 55/66 and 88-1010 and what he wants you to fold and what he expects you to call with.

[censored] it, call . . .
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:27 AM
Fonkey123 Fonkey123 is offline
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

the pot sized bet in this scenario is almost always a nuts or air situation, and while we do beat air it depends on his bluffing frequency

i don't think it's that high here thus i fold
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:30 AM
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

Bizarre spot, I likely fold this though. $85 probably max I would call on the river.
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:34 AM
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

The problem is he knows we don't have much of a hand since we checked turn. If he has any part of the flop and wants some river value why wouldnt he value bet a smaller amount that we occasionally might look up with a medium PP or a J ?

I'd call
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:36 AM
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

Fold because he has trips always.
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:25 AM
patrick_mcmurray patrick_mcmurray is offline
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold


I guess we are asking ourselves that if he has 88 - TT then why is he not just taking a free showdown with probably the best hand?

He is not betting for value as will not get a call from A high.

Could conceivably be a small pp - 22, 33, 55, 66 - trying to knock out a higher pp 88 - TT but seems unlikely.
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:59 AM
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Default Re: 400nl - I fold

c-betting this flop is a leak
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