5/10 Online. I chased the 2nd nut flush, hit, and didnt bet

NevadaKaz · #1 06-08-2007, 11:27 AM

6 max.

UTG: I ahve played with him a few times, he often gets out of line with draws. To see him 3 bet or cap a draw is not unusual. His turn 3 bet could be anything from AcXx- flopped straight, and all hands inbetween.

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG raises, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop (8sb) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets , Button raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG 3 bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn (8.5BB) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

River (11.5) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks

Opinions also please, if the river was any [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] but the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

gobbledygeek · #2 06-08-2007, 12:06 PM

I suck when my live 2/4 full table breaks down to a shorthanded game, becoming an overaggresive spew monkey, but anyhoo...

I 3bet preflop. We have AK in a 3 handed game, woo-hoo!

Flop I bet and 3bet if button has come along, I'm thinking my draws to the second nut flush and two overcards gives me a slight equity edge.

Turn might play differently now; I'd probably fire again hoping to win it right there, if not I still have a bunch of outs. As played I'd just check/call.

I don't understand not betting the river? With button simply calling turn we know he doesn't have a turn set made into a full house; I'd guess more likely a straight draw. UTG was more likely protecting an overpair the whole hand that having flopped a set or nut flush. I'm betting/calling and even that might be too weak (maybe 3bet?).

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Niediam · #3 06-08-2007, 01:53 PM

Preflop: Please raise with one of the best hands in the game. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Flop: good

Turn: good

River: I'd lead (and call a raise). I could see being concerned about a boat if BB was driving the action but UTG is much more likely to have a very big pair than 99/88/77.

KitCloudkicker · #4 06-08-2007, 05:37 PM

sorry man but IMO almost every street wrong.

1st, gotta 3B preflop, get more money in with the likely best hand and drive out the BB's dead money.

when you 3bet, you'll either get called or the pot will get capped preflop. In both scenarios I would still lead out on the flop and call a raise.

C/C turn is good.

Then, B/C the river, many worse hands will call. In addition, many worse hands that will call your bet will check behind on the river.

Xhad · #5 06-08-2007, 05:46 PM

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With button simply calling turn we know he doesn't have a turn set made into a full house

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Why would you say that?

gobbledygeek · #6 06-08-2007, 06:15 PM

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With button simply calling turn we know he doesn't have a turn set made into a full house

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Why would you say that?

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Maybe I'm projecting how I would play the hand on to the button...

But still, I think it unlikely he'd have a set. If he did I woulda expected a flop cap or at very least a turn raise to make sure single clubs are paying big time, knowing that even if he is behind to a made flush he has lottsa outs for the full house. He might have even considered 3betting preflop with 99 (maybe 88 and 77). And I highly doubt he has a 3 that has turned into a full house cuz that means he's coldcalling a preflop raise with 7/8/9 3 (soooooted?).

NevadaKaz · #7 06-08-2007, 06:19 PM

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sorry man but IMO almost every street wrong.

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I totally agree that all street were played wrong.

River I would have led (the non 3) [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

ProfessorBen · #8 06-08-2007, 10:41 PM

Raise preflop.
As played, you should intend to check raise the flop to clear your outs and for value.
As played, I'm bet/calling the river. Putting someone on a set or Ac is just too much. The river getting check through is terrible value-wise. Almost any club is calling that river, but checking through.

Xhad · #9 06-08-2007, 10:57 PM

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Maybe I'm projecting how I would play the hand on to the button...

But still, I think it unlikely he'd have a set. If he did I woulda expected a flop cap or at very least a turn raise to make sure single clubs are paying big time, knowing that even if he is behind to a made flush he has lottsa outs for the full house.

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A lot of people would be wary with bottom set on a 3flush 3straight board.

MicroBob · #10 06-09-2007, 12:16 PM

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River I would have led (the non 3)

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6, T or J of clubs all making possible straight-flushes would have been more scary to me than the club that pairs the board.

With any of those clubs I can see checking the river.
With the 3c seemingly innocently pairing the board I'm betting away at it and hoping to get called-down by a Tc or something that would otherwise be checking through.

The action on that kind of super-coordinated flop followed by the check-through on the turn sure smells like a straight-flush draw is out there somewhere and I'm not about to count on a Tc or Jc to do the betting for me.

If you bet with the K and then get raised I think you can safely fold (although I have occasionally seen a Q or a J raise or check-raise 4-flush boards like this so it's not a 100% safe fold).