"reading minds" in poker

[monkover]

This imo is a very stupid thread!!! just delete it or don´t read it... it´s not because of some stupid electric waves that you can put your opponents on hands!!!

[PhantomGoose]

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This imo is a very stupid thread!!! just delete it or don´t read it... it´s not because of some stupid electric waves that you can put your opponents on hands!!!

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Not that big a deal, man. Breathe deep.

[TC Franks]

If you watch Negranau on TV, he often calls out hands that are dead on or very close. But ... if you watch very closely, you'll also notice that even when he thinks he knows a hand, even if he thinks he is behind, he often will call anyway.

In these instances, he's going with the "right play" over his intuition. I think "mind-reading" is picking up on people's betting patterns, mannerisms, timing, etc.

[schroedy]

1) If you truly have psychic powers, especially if they are of the clairvoyent variety, quit poker. Seriously. And take up roulette.

2) With all the billions that the casino industry spends on security and catching cheats, they don't spend a dime to stop ESP/psychics/clairvoyents. Verdict for the defense.

3) As noted earlier, intuition is different than ESP and it is possible to put players on hands, or discern the strength of their hands but not be able to articulate the exact evidence that led you to that conclusion (This is what I call intuition).

4) Finally, bankroll management. If a guy is drawing to his flush against two sets and wins the pot keep playing against him.

[lengthy]

when I said esp I ddnt exactly mean being a clairvoient. more along the lines of of what everyone is saying about intuition. I'm sure we have all had that "gut" feeling and ended up being right. this is more of an idea, or something fun to discuss rather then me trying to prove a fact or say that I'm a physcic. of couse if people could read minds with 100 percent certainty, we would all be in a lot of trouble at the table.

[schroedy]

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of couse if people could read minds with 100 percent certainty, we would all be in a lot of trouble at the table.

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And away from it.

[Rollos]

This happens a lot but it's nothing special, you just remember the times you have called out the cards correct more clearly than the times you don't. If you really think you have mind reading powers, then buy a notebook and write down every guess you make.
I guarantee you will quickly find out that you can not call the cards more than you miscall them.

[jalexone]

You weren't reading the cards. The players just had the hands that you were worried about.

[ZenMusician]

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when we turn the blender on the TV gets out of wack

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"Every time Catherine would turn on the microwave, I'd piss my pants
and forget who I was for about half an hour."

-ZEN

[AKQJ10]

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And the Mets were supposed to play in Pittsburgh that day.

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The Mets part of your dream is trivial. The Mets probably play 5-6 times a weak in early autumn.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I think it's entirely plausible that the OP had a read that one player had a monster and the other player had a strong draw. It really wouldn't change the hand much if the monster were top two and the draw were an OESD. (Yes, I realize it would change the hand immensely if the turn paired blanks, but my point is you can perceive a monster more clearly than you can perceive "middle set of sixes".)

I've "read" someone for a turned straight flush when she checked, and lo and behold she had the straight flush, but I'm not sure I'd consider the read any less valid had she had an A-high flush and thought it was the nuts. Nothing supernatural involved; I just picked up a tell from her check motion that something was up.

As has been stated, you need to validate your reads before you value them too highly. See SSHE about tells. Don't trust tells that contradict logic, until you're very sure of them.

Then again, I'm the guy who called the maniac's push for 5 x pot on the flop with AK unimproved because I was pretty sure he was compulsively bluffing. I won without improving. Don't try that without a much better read than I can claim to have had. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]