3way pot NL25 - KK

Sniiii · #1 11-20-2007, 12:14 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($27.25)
BB ($33.90)
UTG ($24.30)
MP ($18.95)
Hero ($30.15)
Button ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.2, Button calls $1.20, 2 folds, MP calls $0.95.

Flop: ($3.95) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2, Button calls $2, MP raises to $4, Hero raises to $10, Button calls $8, MP raises to $16, Hero raises to $36.95, Button calls $13.20 (All-In), MP calls $1.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($68.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($68.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $68.10

Both villains are running 80 VPIP. Spew?

mrpotto · #2 11-20-2007, 03:01 PM

Spew? Sometimes but sometimes not......

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5
hero: $55.25
CO: $26.25
Button: $6.75
SB: $21.75
BB: $27.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, hero raises to $1, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.25, 3 players)
SB checks, hero bets $3.25, Button raises all-in $5.75, SB raises to $6.5, hero raises all-in $54.25, SB calls all-in $14.25.
Uncalled bets: $33.5 returned to hero.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($35.5, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $20.5, Sidepot 1: $30)

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($35.5, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $20.5, Sidepot 1: $30)

Results:
Final pot: $35.5
hero showed Ah As
Button showed Js Qs
SB showed Ks Jc

Pokey · #3 11-20-2007, 03:13 PM

Against an 80% VPIP you can probably raise more preflop and still get action.

Your initial flop bet is too small -- I'd make it $3 to go. How do these guys play postflop? While an 80% VPIP tells us something about the preflop action it tells us very little about postflop. Some ultra-loose players tighten up like mad postflop. Also, there's a big difference between the range of an 80/70 who smooth-calls your preflop raise and an 80/7 who smooth-calls your preflop raise.

On the flop, MP just check-minraised you. TWICE. That's got to be worrisome. I like the push because Button has money behind and I'd be happy to at least build a side pot that I'm expecting to win, but I'm getting quite worried that I'm losing the main pot to MP's sneaky set. Button could have a strongish J, he could have two diamonds, he could have T9. He could also have you blown out of the water.

Personally, I'm probably playing it about the same against two very loose opponents. I don't think you're ahead of SB after his second minraise, but at that point he has too little behind for you not to go for the sidepot against Button, especially with the chance that SB has QQ or AJ. Plus, you've already got enough pot odds after the second minraise to call this against two pair.

It's an unfortunate situation and I think you're way behind in the main pot, but I think you can't know that until it's too late, and I think you've still got a good shot at the (fairly large) side pot.

The turn and river cards were ugly, but you should not have included them in the hand history, since they are totally irrelevant.

Sniiii · #4 11-20-2007, 03:27 PM

Thanks for the response Pokey, greatly appreciated. If they didn't have so ridiculously high VPIP I'd fold this, and I got insecure how to play this with two loose players. Sorry for including the turn and river, I was just too lazy to remove them. Also, concerning my flop bet, you're right, it was too low. It's a leak in my game I think, I often bet too light on flop.

Here's the results if interested:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($27.25)
BB ($33.90)
UTG ($24.30)
MP ($18.95)
Hero ($30.15)
Button ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.2, Button calls $1.20, 2 folds, MP calls $0.95.

Flop: ($3.95) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2, Button calls $2, MP raises to $4, Hero raises to $10, Button calls $8, MP raises to $16, Hero raises to $36.95, Button calls $13.20 (All-In), MP calls $1.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($68.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($68.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $68.10

Results in white below: 
MP has Jc 7c (two pair, jacks and eights).
Hero has Kc Kh (two pair, kings and eights).
Button has 9c Tc (two pair, eights and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $81.85.