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#21
10-30-2007, 12:03 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
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Once you get yourself into a marginal spot you should call, that's my stance anyway. [/ QUOTE ] I go back and forth with this one. Actually, I think it would be an interesting topic for discussion. I had just been stacked twice before this hand with some pretty bad beats, so I was a bit frustrated at the start of the hand. I find it interesting how many dynamics can impact the decision to either go for it or not in these marginal situations...personality, opponents, goals, stakes you're at, at the start or end of a session, etc. 
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#22
10-30-2007, 01:15 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
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i think if you limp minraise he might repop you and then you can make an EV+ shove since he must fold most of his range [/ QUOTE ] you min-lrr to like 114 or whatever, he repops then folds with most of his range getting 3+/1? is he only going to make it a tiny like 4bet to 240? even then he's getting sick odds
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#23
10-30-2007, 01:19 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
Interestly, I just found these hands on him. Just to throw it out here.
POKERSTARS GAME #12689740809: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/17 - 21:21:13 (ET) Table 'Hippasos II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: EPiPeN11 ($620.55 in chips) Seat 2: BigOwen ($767.85 in chips) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING ($1635.45 in chips) Seat 4: lemvigdk ($634.30 in chips) Seat 6: DeSpeler ($600 in chips) Seat 7: geirto ($582 in chips) Seat 8: pukz ($309.60 in chips) Seat 9: actionDJ ($600 in chips) geirto: posts small blind $3 pukz: posts big blind $6 D_ReKK13: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BigOwen [4d 5d] actionDJ: folds EPiPeN11: calls $6 BigOwen: folds YAOMINGMING: calls $6 lemvigdk: calls $6 DeSpeler: raises $36 to $42 geirto: folds pukz: calls $36 EPiPeN11: raises $66 to $108 YAOMINGMING: folds lemvigdk: folds DeSpeler: calls $66 pukz: calls $66 *** FLOP *** [7d 9d 3d] pukz: checks EPiPeN11: bets $108 DeSpeler: calls $108 pukz: folds *** TURN *** [7d 9d 3d] [8c] EPiPeN11: bets $160 DeSpeler: calls $160 *** RIVER *** [7d 9d 3d 8c] [7s] EPiPeN11: bets $244.55 and is all-in DeSpeler: folds EPiPeN11 collected $872 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $875 | Rake $3 Board [7d 9d 3d 8c 7s] Seat 1: EPiPeN11 collected ($872) Seat 2: BigOwen folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING folded before Flop Seat 4: lemvigdk folded before Flop Seat 6: DeSpeler (button) folded on the River Seat 7: geirto (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: pukz (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: actionDJ folded before Flop (didn't bet) POKERSTARS GAME #12689740809: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/17 - 21:21:13 (ET) Table 'Hippasos II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: EPiPeN11 ($620.55 in chips) Seat 2: BigOwen ($767.85 in chips) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING ($1635.45 in chips) Seat 4: lemvigdk ($634.30 in chips) Seat 6: DeSpeler ($600 in chips) Seat 7: geirto ($582 in chips) Seat 8: pukz ($309.60 in chips) Seat 9: actionDJ ($600 in chips) geirto: posts small blind $3 pukz: posts big blind $6 D_ReKK13: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BigOwen [4d 5d] actionDJ: folds EPiPeN11: calls $6 BigOwen: folds YAOMINGMING: calls $6 lemvigdk: calls $6 DeSpeler: raises $36 to $42 geirto: folds pukz: calls $36 EPiPeN11: raises $66 to $108 YAOMINGMING: folds lemvigdk: folds DeSpeler: calls $66 pukz: calls $66 *** FLOP *** [7d 9d 3d] pukz: checks EPiPeN11: bets $108 DeSpeler: calls $108 pukz: folds *** TURN *** [7d 9d 3d] [8c] EPiPeN11: bets $160 DeSpeler: calls $160 *** RIVER *** [7d 9d 3d 8c] [7s] EPiPeN11: bets $244.55 and is all-in DeSpeler: folds EPiPeN11 collected $872 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $875 | Rake $3 Board [7d 9d 3d 8c 7s] Seat 1: EPiPeN11 collected ($872) Seat 2: BigOwen folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING folded before Flop Seat 4: lemvigdk folded before Flop Seat 6: DeSpeler (button) folded on the River Seat 7: geirto (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: pukz (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: actionDJ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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#25
10-30-2007, 01:31 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
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Interestly, I just found these hands on him. Just to throw it out here. POKERSTARS GAME #12689740809: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/17 - 21:21:13 (ET) Table 'Hippasos II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: EPiPeN11 ($620.55 in chips) Seat 2: BigOwen ($767.85 in chips) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING ($1635.45 in chips) Seat 4: lemvigdk ($634.30 in chips) Seat 6: DeSpeler ($600 in chips) Seat 7: geirto ($582 in chips) Seat 8: pukz ($309.60 in chips) Seat 9: actionDJ ($600 in chips) geirto: posts small blind $3 pukz: posts big blind $6 D_ReKK13: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BigOwen [4d 5d] actionDJ: folds EPiPeN11: calls $6 BigOwen: folds YAOMINGMING: calls $6 lemvigdk: calls $6 DeSpeler: raises $36 to $42 geirto: folds pukz: calls $36 EPiPeN11: raises $66 to $108 YAOMINGMING: folds lemvigdk: folds DeSpeler: calls $66 pukz: calls $66 *** FLOP *** [7d 9d 3d] pukz: checks EPiPeN11: bets $108 DeSpeler: calls $108 pukz: folds *** TURN *** [7d 9d 3d] [8c] EPiPeN11: bets $160 DeSpeler: calls $160 *** RIVER *** [7d 9d 3d 8c] [7s] EPiPeN11: bets $244.55 and is all-in DeSpeler: folds EPiPeN11 collected $872 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $875 | Rake $3 Board [7d 9d 3d 8c 7s] Seat 1: EPiPeN11 collected ($872) Seat 2: BigOwen folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING folded before Flop Seat 4: lemvigdk folded before Flop Seat 6: DeSpeler (button) folded on the River Seat 7: geirto (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: pukz (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: actionDJ folded before Flop (didn't bet) POKERSTARS GAME #12689740809: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/17 - 21:21:13 (ET) Table 'Hippasos II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: EPiPeN11 ($620.55 in chips) Seat 2: BigOwen ($767.85 in chips) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING ($1635.45 in chips) Seat 4: lemvigdk ($634.30 in chips) Seat 6: DeSpeler ($600 in chips) Seat 7: geirto ($582 in chips) Seat 8: pukz ($309.60 in chips) Seat 9: actionDJ ($600 in chips) geirto: posts small blind $3 pukz: posts big blind $6 D_ReKK13: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BigOwen [4d 5d] actionDJ: folds EPiPeN11: calls $6 BigOwen: folds YAOMINGMING: calls $6 lemvigdk: calls $6 DeSpeler: raises $36 to $42 geirto: folds pukz: calls $36 EPiPeN11: raises $66 to $108 YAOMINGMING: folds lemvigdk: folds DeSpeler: calls $66 pukz: calls $66 *** FLOP *** [7d 9d 3d] pukz: checks EPiPeN11: bets $108 DeSpeler: calls $108 pukz: folds *** TURN *** [7d 9d 3d] [8c] EPiPeN11: bets $160 DeSpeler: calls $160 *** RIVER *** [7d 9d 3d 8c] [7s] EPiPeN11: bets $244.55 and is all-in DeSpeler: folds EPiPeN11 collected $872 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $875 | Rake $3 Board [7d 9d 3d 8c 7s] Seat 1: EPiPeN11 collected ($872) Seat 2: BigOwen folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING folded before Flop Seat 4: lemvigdk folded before Flop Seat 6: DeSpeler (button) folded on the River Seat 7: geirto (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: pukz (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: actionDJ folded before Flop (didn't bet) [/ QUOTE ] You posted the same hand twice
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#26
10-30-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
Not a fan of your line. I don't l/rr, but since you did, I think you should pop it to about $165.
Has he ever seen your hand at a showdown after you made this same l/rr move? How quickly did he 4bet shove?
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#27
10-30-2007, 01:37 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
Thx. this was supposed to be the 2nd:
POKERSTARS GAME #12689740809: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/17 - 21:21:13 (ET) Table 'Hippasos II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: EPiPeN11 ($620.55 in chips) Seat 2: BigOwen ($767.85 in chips) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING ($1635.45 in chips) Seat 4: lemvigdk ($634.30 in chips) Seat 6: DeSpeler ($600 in chips) Seat 7: geirto ($582 in chips) Seat 8: pukz ($309.60 in chips) Seat 9: actionDJ ($600 in chips) geirto: posts small blind $3 pukz: posts big blind $6 D_ReKK13: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BigOwen [4d 5d] actionDJ: folds EPiPeN11: calls $6 BigOwen: folds YAOMINGMING: calls $6 lemvigdk: calls $6 DeSpeler: raises $36 to $42 geirto: folds pukz: calls $36 EPiPeN11: raises $66 to $108 YAOMINGMING: folds lemvigdk: folds DeSpeler: calls $66 pukz: calls $66 *** FLOP *** [7d 9d 3d] pukz: checks EPiPeN11: bets $108 DeSpeler: calls $108 pukz: folds *** TURN *** [7d 9d 3d] [8c] EPiPeN11: bets $160 DeSpeler: calls $160 *** RIVER *** [7d 9d 3d 8c] [7s] EPiPeN11: bets $244.55 and is all-in DeSpeler: folds EPiPeN11 collected $872 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $875 | Rake $3 Board [7d 9d 3d 8c 7s] Seat 1: EPiPeN11 collected ($872) Seat 2: BigOwen folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING folded before Flop Seat 4: lemvigdk folded before Flop Seat 6: DeSpeler (button) folded on the River Seat 7: geirto (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: pukz (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: actionDJ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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#28
10-30-2007, 01:38 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
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Not a fan of your line. I don't l/rr, but since you did, I think you should pop it to about $165. Has he ever seen your hand at a showdown after you made this same l/rr move? How quickly did he 4bet shove? [/ QUOTE ] I don't believe he has. Instashove.
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#29
10-30-2007, 01:39 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
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Thx. this was supposed to be the 2nd: POKERSTARS GAME #12689740809: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/17 - 21:21:13 (ET) Table 'Hippasos II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: EPiPeN11 ($620.55 in chips) Seat 2: BigOwen ($767.85 in chips) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING ($1635.45 in chips) Seat 4: lemvigdk ($634.30 in chips) Seat 6: DeSpeler ($600 in chips) Seat 7: geirto ($582 in chips) Seat 8: pukz ($309.60 in chips) Seat 9: actionDJ ($600 in chips) geirto: posts small blind $3 pukz: posts big blind $6 D_ReKK13: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BigOwen [4d 5d] actionDJ: folds EPiPeN11: calls $6 BigOwen: folds YAOMINGMING: calls $6 lemvigdk: calls $6 DeSpeler: raises $36 to $42 geirto: folds pukz: calls $36 EPiPeN11: raises $66 to $108 YAOMINGMING: folds lemvigdk: folds DeSpeler: calls $66 pukz: calls $66 *** FLOP *** [7d 9d 3d] pukz: checks EPiPeN11: bets $108 DeSpeler: calls $108 pukz: folds *** TURN *** [7d 9d 3d] [8c] EPiPeN11: bets $160 DeSpeler: calls $160 *** RIVER *** [7d 9d 3d 8c] [7s] EPiPeN11: bets $244.55 and is all-in DeSpeler: folds EPiPeN11 collected $872 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $875 | Rake $3 Board [7d 9d 3d 8c 7s] Seat 1: EPiPeN11 collected ($872) Seat 2: BigOwen folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: YAOMINGMING folded before Flop Seat 4: lemvigdk folded before Flop Seat 6: DeSpeler (button) folded on the River Seat 7: geirto (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: pukz (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: actionDJ folded before Flop (didn't bet) [/ QUOTE ] lol man you've now posted the same hand 3 times [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Hint: post the hand where your hole cards are NOT 45.
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#30
10-30-2007, 01:41 PM
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Re: 600: Not Quite According to Plan with 2+2er
do not ever 3-bet fold AK plz
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