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Old 07-10-2007, 03:41 PM
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Default NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

Villian was an unknown 20/10 over very few hands (I was at the table for 2 orbits)

If I call the min-raise I have $12 left for the river.

EverestPoker Game #1786964919: Table Muscat-10 - $0.15/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:25:00 - 2007/07/10
Seat 4: UTG ($7.15)
Seat 5: MP ($33.05)
Seat 6: CO ($1.25)
Seat 1: Hero ($25.00)
Seat 2: SB ($49.70)
Seat 3: BB ($13.85)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero (Button) raises to $1.00</font>, SB calls $0.85, BB folds.

*** FLOP *** ($2.05) [J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, SB calls $2.00.

*** TURN *** ($5.85) [J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $10.00</font>, Hero ??
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Old 07-10-2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

I'm inclined to dump it. AJ, AT, JT are all pretty plausible holdings, and KQ got there, too. AQ or AK you're ahead of, but this seems like a pretty strange line from those hands.
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

I agree its an easy fold the only way you wouldnt is if you knew your opponent extremely well and knew they were capable of making a play here. with the info you have given me though dump it.
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:29 PM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

Thanks guys. I was thinking back and forth and finally made the incorrect call.

River is a K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and villian insta-pushes.

No need to compound on my mistake with a call, even if it is for $12 only, right?
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks guys. I was thinking back and forth and finally made the incorrect call.

River is a K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and villian insta-pushes.

No need to compound on my mistake with a call, even if it is for $12 only, right?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, you're beating nothing but bluffs at that point unless this guy happens to like A2 an awful lot.
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:41 AM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

with $12 left on a wet board I'd just stick it in for value.

T6s = meh in my book, even from the button but obviously it's situational.
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:45 AM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

First reaction is "fold".
I think I check behind this turn a lot (I remember what we talked about [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ). It's just that this turn is a great card for a lot of hands because it makes a few better 2 pairs and completes a straight draw and a great card to run a semi-bluff.
And c/c c/r as a line is still a pretty strong line, ime. I don't see a hand that you are ahead of, actually. Even a slowplayed KK won't take this line with the turn card which is horrible for him. You have a bluff catcher at this point and you will probably have to risk your whole stack to pick it up.
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:48 AM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

Correction: you could actually be ahead of AK, AQ, possibly with a flush draw that has 14 outs against you.
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

looks like I was off the mark on this one:

Beat by JT, AJ, AT (21 combos) KQ (16 combos), sets (10 combos i think)

Beat AK,AQ (24 combos but discount however much), A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (~5 combos), any other random aces he might have floated with (it does happen)

It will be tough to fold for &lt;1/2 pot on the river, so we should probably fold now.
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: NL25 Bottom 2pair gets raised on turn

Against a range of TT,JJ,66,As2s,As3s,As4s,As5s,As6s,As7s,As8s,As9s,A T,AJ,JT,KQ you have 14% equity and a clear fold. If you add AsKs, AsQs, you have 16% equity and still a fold. Only if you think he played AK, AQ like this, you have 33% equity and should push. But considering the c/c c/r line, I weight his range more towards the sets, better 2pairs and KQ.
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