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Old 11-03-2007, 01:42 AM
iltw555 iltw555 is offline
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Default 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $33
Hero (CO): $222
BTN: $249.15
SB: $222.95
BB: $171.90
UTG: $263.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN calls $8, SB folds, BB calls $6

Flop: ($25) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $22</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $62</font>, BB calls $62,
Hero: ?

my image is pretty aggressive (24/17/4)
BB is a super donk, his call really doesn't mean too much as I expect him to call with any kind of top pair or even 2nd pair (73/0/0.5 over 60 hands)
BTN is a decent regular (17/15/3)
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:54 AM
Isura Isura is offline
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

Don't fold. Your equity won't change that much on the turn, so the question is how often he's bluffing. And he is unlikely to make bad fold or call on the flop.
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

how often he is bluffing ??? what do you mean

here i think the best move is just to move in, you still have 8 outs to the straight so even if he flopped 2 pair or a set you still have outs .... if you push and btn calls and bb folds you are getting 30percent still .. which you are about to hit your straight

so just push
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:03 AM
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

I fold here everytime. I doubt all our outs are good. It was a standard raised pot and I thinky you have little FE.

The more I think about it the quicker I'm folding.
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:14 AM
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

ur def behind but u have 10 outs most of the time, even more if they just got two pair, and theres decent overlay thanks to second call. moreover ur not likely to be drawing dead since u have two queens blocking the high end of the straight. and if QK is out there somehow just hit a running boat. so shove and soak up the variance
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:59 AM
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

somebody Stove this please.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:28 AM
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

getting it in here vs. the reg is bad. call and hope for a nice turn
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:14 AM
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

Wide Range: (includes overpairs and pair + draw)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.718% 38.90% 02.82% 25032 1813.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 58.282% 55.46% 02.82% 35691 1813.50 { KK+, JJ-99, KQs, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, KQo, QJo, J9o+, T9o }

Tight Range: 2 pair, set or straight only

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.361% 35.62% 01.74% 16925 829.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 62.639% 60.89% 01.74% 28937 829.00 { JJ-99, KQs, J9s+, T9s, 87s, KQo, J9o+, T9o }

not sure if i did that right but yeah ur not that bad shape
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

Problem is there's two villains.
Your wide ranges vs both:
Board: Td Jc 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.243% 21.32% 03.92% 638812 117515.67 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 37.378% 33.97% 03.41% 1017666 102247.17 { KK+, JJ-99, KQs, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, KQo, QJo, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 2: 37.378% 33.97% 03.41% 1017666 102247.17 { KK+, JJ-99, KQs, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, KQo, QJo, J9o+, T9o }
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:44 AM
RUDIKULOUS RUDIKULOUS is offline
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Default Re: 1/2, can I fold Qs here?

Youre probably way ahead of bb's range and you have decent equity against a lot of btn's range which is probably a bunch of two pairs and pair draws. I'd weight 99-JJ and KQ lighter than two pair and pair/draw combos if hes an aggro reg since he will 3 bet 99-JJ and KQ often otb from a co raise.
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