Cold-Call - Hearing so many different definitions. Can you clear it up

[Bad Beat Maker]

Okay, when speaking in terms of NL (perhaps Limit is the same) I am under the impression that a cold call means that you are calling a raise and a reraise without having had money in the pot first.

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I am dealt AJo on the button. UTG makes it 4xBB to go. UTG+1 then reraises him. I call. That would be a cold-call correct?

Now, is this ALSO a cold call?

I'm on button with AJo. Play is folded to CO who raises it to 4xBB. I call. Since there is only one raise, is this still a cold call?

Please help! Trying to find the uber-usefulness in CC% on PAHUD. From my guess it would be my first example because then it narrows the range of the cold caller greatly, probably with PP.

[Bad Beat Maker]

Nevermind Tommy cleared it up.

[10:52pm] <[TommyLV]> CO raises, u call = just a call
[10:52pm] <[TommyLV]> CO raise, btn reraises, u call in SB
[10:52pm] <[TommyLV]> cold call


This is what I was thinking! HOORAY!

[spacebetween]

I say cold call whenever someone calls without having any money in the pot invested fwiw.

[drzen]

Tommy is wrong for preflop.

He has forgotten that the blind has already made a bet. So you are facing a bet and a raise if someone comes in for a raise, and are coldcalling if you call.

So if you call a raise preflop, you are coldcalling just the same as calling a bet and raise postflop.

[Bad Beat Maker]

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Tommy is wrong for preflop.

He has forgotten that the blind has already made a bet. So you are facing a bet and a raise if someone comes in for a raise, and are coldcalling if you call.

So if you call a raise preflop, you are coldcalling just the same as calling a bet and raise postflop.

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If this is the case, why do players that see almost every flop still have a CC% in PAHUD of like 3 even though they are calling almost every raise preflop to see the flop?

[Gonso]

Cold calling is making a call after there has been a bet and a raise before you - the original bettor is to act behind you. Obviously all your sirens are going off a lot of the time when you see this - or the guy is a donk overplaying a hand.

[Bad Beat Maker]

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Cold calling is making a call after there has been a bet and a raise before you - the original bettor is to act behind you. Obviously all your sirens are going off a lot of the time when you see this - or the guy is a donk overplaying a hand.

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So original better (to make this much simpler and iliminate calling blinds a bet FOR THIS QUESTION) is someone who bet (put more money in than the blinds require)?

[JavaNut]

The definition of cold calling is that there has been a raise before you act and no callers in between and you call without having put any money in the pot so far yourself on that street. If a person acting after your call calls he would not be cold calling as someone else (you) has called before him. As you already have put money in the pot you can't be cold calling from the blinds or if you have posted a live blind.

The reason for cold calling being so interesting is that you have terrible pot odds for calling and you know that the raiser has shown strength and therefore have a much better hand range. A person calling after a cold call is still up against high strength but has much better pot odds.

[PantsOnFire]

A cold call is a call of a bet and a raise before you have put any money in the pot.

One of the key features of the cold call is that it can never end the action like a regular call can. And that of course is one of the dangers of the cold call.

The only thing I am not clear about is the calling of raises by the blinds. Technically, BB is just calling since he can actually end the action. But SB cannot end the action so even if he has a 1/2Bb in pot already, I think that qualifies as a cold call.

Somebody might want to email Pokertracker to find out how they define it.

[Bad Beat Maker]

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Somebody might want to email Pokertracker to find out how they define it.

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Good idea.