Common spot i suck at

[ActionJeff]

raise 400-500 preflop. After doing this, the lines to take on the flop are (1) bet about 1/2 pot and fold to a raise or call if hes nutso retardo (2) c/f (3) if hes really horrible aggro you can check and get all in.

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Considering nobody seems in agreement, guess i'm not alone in thinking this is tough.

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I think most are in agreement that 600 is not a great raise size.

[Vetgirig]

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Considering nobody seems in agreement, guess i'm not alone in thinking this is tough.

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I think most are in agreement that 600 is not a great raise size.

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Yes, with 14BB one really dont want to open-raise with TT - it's much better if someone raise before one and then one do a re-raise all-in.

In this case - a limp hoping for a raise and then re-raise is a viable option. If noone raise preflop we see a cheap flop and can check-fold against any aggression since with 2 overcards on the flop we cant hope to be ahead.

[baltostar]

Pre-flop :
hero M = 2825/300 = 9.5 , 14 bb
villain M = 7683/300 = 25.5 , 38.5 bb

Flop :
hero M = 2225/300 = 7 , 11 bb
villain M = 7083/300 = 23.5 , 35.5 bb
pot M = 1500/300 = 5, 7.5 bb
pot/hero = 71%
pot/villain = 21%
hero/villain = 30%

Pre-flop: I shove this every time, but I think limping is viable. Non-push raising and folding are not viable.

As played: Unless he's a complete nit, villain's calling range is very wide. I shove this flop every time. You really can't afford to have M damaged further.

All other options involve making a lot of assumptions which perhaps could give you an edge if you had a higher M to play with, but here thinking too much is not justified. You have little maneuverability and you can not withstand further risk. It's a 2-rank board, shove it.

[ASPoker8]

yeah bond, limp

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Pre-flop: I shove this every time, but I think limping is viable. Non-push raising... not viable.

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I think limping is somewhat viable. Betgo has a solid ROI after all. Opening is also viable. BB may call wide, this may induce a shove from a worse hand that doesn't call a shove etc.

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As played: Unless he's a complete nit, villain's calling range is very wide.

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That's total nonsense. Why would anyone flat call with a wide range, no implied odds because hero is so short and half the table yet to act? This isn't to say that villain isn't a complete spaz but his range should be somewhat narrow, not somewhat wide.

Edit: I suck at quoting.

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As played: Unless he's a complete nit, villain's calling range is very wide.

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That's total nonsense. Why would anyone flat call with a wide range, no implied odds because hero is so short and half the table yet to act? This isn't to say that villain isn't a complete spaz but his range should be somewhat narrow, not somewhat wide.

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Should villain be analyzed as if a deep thinker ? Or should villain be analyzed simply as having a relatively deep stack and being in relatively EP ?

Villain has 38.5 bb, it's < 1/12 of his stack to call. Does he even calculate this far? Maybe he still considers a few blinds as inconsequential to his stack.

We know nothing abou villain, but lots of players who don't think too hard about their calls until they're short will call 3bb with a wide range if they face 4 yet to act.

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Pre-flop: I shove this every time, but I think limping is viable. Non-push raising... not viable.

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I think limping is somewhat viable. Betgo has a solid ROI after all. Opening is also viable. BB may call wide, this may induce a shove from a worse hand that doesn't call a shove etc.

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As played: Unless he's a complete nit, villain's calling range is very wide.

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That's total nonsense. Why would anyone flat call with a wide range, no implied odds because hero is so short and half the table yet to act? This isn't to say that villain isn't a complete spaz but his range should be somewhat narrow, not somewhat wide.

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I did a search on my name. Preflop, limping is playable, but I wouldn't do it with this hand and stack size. I don't see anything wrong with as played or a smaller raise. You could open push, which is only slighly cEV+.

[jlocdog]

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Considering nobody seems in agreement, guess i'm not alone in thinking this is tough.

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I think most are in agreement that 600 is not a great raise size.

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As well as most are in agreement that you should be c/something rather then b/something on the flop. Whether you fold or shove after checking is easier for OP to decide since he has been playing with the mofo.

[MrTimCaum]

i definitely raise 500 or less preflop

on the flop here in a standard 109 FO, i'm split between c/s and c/f, depending on my feel of the opponent. i'd definitely take a quick look at their pokerdb while making up my mind.