Top two, can we think of folding this?

LOwrestling2001 · #1 11-07-2007, 01:02 PM

Villain is 21/11/4 over 300+ hands. The board is so dry that I can't see much I beat here or chop with. How to play this hand out? And before you criticize the min raise, I just did it because I thought it wouldn't look as strong as shoving over his turn bet.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($38.95)
Hero ($51.50)
CO ($53)
Button ($67.85)
SB ($46.95)
BB ($33.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, Terrano*5 calls $2.25, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($9.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Terrano*5 checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $6, Terrano*5 raises to $8.

Turn: ($19.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Terrano*5 bets $15, Hero raises to $30, Terrano*5 raises to $36.45 and is all in Hero calls $6.45.

River: ($71.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $71.20

thac · #2 11-07-2007, 01:04 PM

Just shove the turn you donk :P

Edit - we're shoving because we under-repped our hand on the flop. No way I fold here ever since we only lose to 22.

Khaos4k · #3 11-07-2007, 01:06 PM

Ya, that $6 is going to make no difference. Just push turn. Your likely best.

WhiteWolf · #4 11-07-2007, 01:35 PM

You have 4 outs to the full house - even if you're only ahead a small percentage of the time, that easily gives you odds to call vs his range. So no, I'm never folding this.

Also, this hand history is messed up, the action doesn't make sense and the pot sizes don't match the bets that went in on the earlier streets. By my calcuations, the pot size when you're facing your 6.45 call is around $87, making a call even easier.

thac · #5 11-07-2007, 01:50 PM

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Just shove the turn you donk :P

Edit - we're shoving because we under-repped our hand on the flop. No way I fold here ever since we only lose to 22.

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Btw, I meant 33 here, I can't edit my post again.

CubicZirconia · #6 11-07-2007, 02:10 PM

The stack to pot ratio on the flop is a little over 5 to 1. You have top two. I think I'd have a very tough time not putting it in here. I don't really understand the hand history but I'd probably raise the flop. Push in on the turn, leaving 6 dollars behind there doesn't make you look weaker.