Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?

[Nemesis69]

I'd probably stick it in the flop. This is were we have the most equity.

[CrAcK_N_CoKe]

Between raising the turn and raising the flop i prefer raising the flop.
In fact i HATE your semi-bluff here.I think you are lucky that he folded.

*Guys thats a hell of a overbet to shove the flop.

[wingchunflush]

Usually I would to. I think there is no way my hand looks like a FD and he isnt raising me with a FD so why not stick it in. When I do I get snap called and miss a good portion of the time. I decided to take a different tactic this hand. Wait for the turn. Luckily the K is kind of a scare card that I can bluff at.

[Hebel]

no one cares at 10nl what your hand looks like. make a hand and vbet it to death, save this for msnl

[wingchunflush]

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no one cares at 10nl what your hand looks like. make a hand and vbet it to death, save this for msnl

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Could this be less constructive?

[Hebel]

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no one cares at 10nl what your hand looks like. make a hand and vbet it to death, save this for msnl

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Could this be less constructive?

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it is constructive. you cannot count on your opponents at this level to know your stats or table image, or have any semblance of hand reading skills. this is first level thinking here. People at higher stakes semibluff like this all the time. But their plays work because their opponents have some idea of how the game should be played. If you played this hand 10 times you should be shocked at what villains will call with. Your fold equity is never as great as you think. Why would you put yourself in these type of situations when people will call you down with anything? just be patient, make a hand, and get good value out of it. These kinds of plays are entirely unnecessary to beat the game.

[ama0330]

Lol you guys are all nits. T8s UTG is 100% fine, its thin and its a LAG play but its totally acceptable. Preflop doesnt matter anyway, its postflop where the money is made/lost. FWIW, 74s is in my UTG range so take that as you will.

Flop goot, I shove though. A blank turn kills your hand and you are a fave against Jx if its not 2pr. Turn is a sick play but given that hes def got a jack (or maybe a dumb FD) I think you get a fold a lot of the time here.

Ive based this on a 50nl/100nl villain, I think that this whole play is most likely -EV at 10nl just bc ppl dont like to fold TP. But here I think I would be 3betting the flop and looking to get AI. As played, I think I fold the turn bc I dont think you get paid if you hit.

[wingchunflush]

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Lol you guys are all nits. T8s UTG is 100% fine, its thin and its a LAG play but its totally acceptable. Preflop doesnt matter anyway, its postflop where the money is made/lost. FWIW, 74s is in my UTG range so take that as you will.


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[well named]

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I think that this whole play is most likely -EV at 10nl just bc ppl dont like to fold TP

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Mathematically, I don't see how this can be -EV at any level against AJo with no hearts calling, given the dead money in the pot. Of course, it's marginally +EV at best, or perhaps taking preflop into account even marginally -EV. Either way, I'm pretty sure getting it on the flop maximizes the amount of equity you actually get out of the hand.

[derosnec]

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Preflop doesnt matter anyway, its postflop where the money is made/lost.

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Preflop matters a lot in NL when in early position.

Now I'm not arguing whether he should or should not have raised T8s utg (really he's in MP), I just wanted to know what his reasoning was.