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10-01-2007, 09:52 AM
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poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
Saturday afternoon, Tampa Hard Rock....
$1-$2 no limit about 4 hours into the session, table's been straddling about 60%-70% of all hands, 4 callers to me in the big blind. i raise to $24 with QcQh, UTG and Button call. flop comes QdKhTd, i lead for $80, UTG pushes for about $140 total, Button pushes for about $240 total. UTG is down around $500 since i've been at the table, Button has only been at the table around an hour, hasn't done anything crazy. i ask the dealer if i can show my hand without it being dead, he says i can but it's in poor taste. i show anyway, Button (maybe he thinks i've already called?) says, "f*ck, i only got two pair" and i call. dealer proceeds to lecture me on my "poor etiquette" while dealing out the next hand, and i just kinda let it go. just wanted to know what you guys think about it. thanks. 
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#2
10-01-2007, 10:31 AM
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Re: poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
Since your the last to act and there wouldn't be any more action on the turn or river, I don't think this a terrible angle. (Although it may vary from individual cardroom to cardroom whether showing one or both hole cards are legal).
I think that the dealer should have told you the house rules without the moral commentary. I think that button could have been confused/drunk/stupid in revealing his hand. However, he could have easily been lying and holding AJ, enticing you to call.
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#3
10-01-2007, 10:34 AM
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Re: poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
they way he responded he definitely didn't hold AJ, which is all i was worried about. but the outcome of the hand isn't what i was asking about. i asked the dealer the rules before showing, he said it was legal, just wanted to know if it was a douche move or not. i was looking to illicit some response, and got one from showing.
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#5
10-01-2007, 11:18 AM
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Re: poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
The dealer should not be telling any player whats in poor taste or not.
Lecturing players is not his job either. The dealer has a long road ahead of him cleaning up the poker world and doing so will be less profitable for him cause I sure wouldnt tip him after that.
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#6
10-01-2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
Without getting on my soapbox....why are you showing your hand? The dealer needs to tell you it's not proper etiquette? I am going to go out on a limb and say you knew the answer before you asked the question...and did it anyway.
Kinda surprised at the responses of "the dealer should'nt say anything"....true....but what kind of move is it to show your cards? IMO...the answer to your original question yes..poor etiquette, yes...dealer's an idiot...yes...the guy's an idiot.
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#7
10-01-2007, 01:46 PM
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Re: poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
You asked, it wasn't against the house rules, so really "etiquette" doesn't apply.
You illicited a tell using a means which you confirmed were legal at that table. Other player should have simply said nothing.
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#8
10-01-2007, 02:12 PM
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Re: poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
Daniel Negreanu is a big fan of showing one card as a means of getting a tell. I tend to agree. Part of poker is the psychology and messing with people's heads. 1) It does depend on the casino and house rules. 2) The dealer should only call the action, deal the cards and explain the rules.
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#9
10-01-2007, 02:52 PM
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Re: poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
Under the heading of I'm sure you already know, but...
showing a card(s) in a tournament will get you a warning first offense, time-out after that. I have to admit...I am a little different than some others, I have my own views. Like..... I think if you are in a hand with someone you must stay at the table, seated. Suddenly every person on TV makes a huge bet and walks away. What happened to being able to stare someone down. What was better than Moneymaker making a huge bluff against Farha and sitting there like a stone. What would it have been like if he made the bet and walked away. I know I am off topic......sorry!
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#10
10-01-2007, 03:11 PM
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Re: poor etiquette, dealer\'s an idiot or that guy\'s an idiot?
not a tournament, and never moved from my seat. reading comprehension, ftw. i asked first, dealer says it's allowed, i had both players covered, with no one left to act behind me so i'm not influencing anyone else's decision. i'm thinking it's totally fine, and wouldn't bother me in the slightest if someone else at the table does the same thing. i gave the button the opportunity to let me know how he felt about my hand, and he did. i really don't think it's even remotely close to an angle shot, or poor etiquette, and was suprised by the dealer thinking it was. just posted to see if i was in the minority or not.
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