Sharp Sports Betting also apply to soccer? (n00b question)

[TimsterToo]

Hi New001,

If you had to point someone who wants to start betting soccer in the right direction, what would you tell them is most important? (let's assume moneymanagement etc is no issue)

[TimsterToo]

Hi King Yao,

Good to here as my knowledge of general betting theory is pretty much no existent. So money well spent. Also I don't want my copy of Weighing the odds in Holdem to get lonely, especially since he knows now that he's got a brother out there. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I would be really interested to hear what the soccer bettors on this forum consider solid soccer betting books. I did a quick search on Amazon and randomly bought one but there are enough for sale to throw away a lot of money on both bad books as well as the bad betting decisions you make because of them.

To put it differentely, when I started playing poker and found out there was a lot more to it then I thought at first I went to Waterstones in Amsterdam and bought the only pokerbook they had in stock at that time. It was Play Poker Like the Pro's....

After that I discovered 2+2 and managed to earn it all back but the main challenge was trying to replace the bad concepts in my head with good ones.

[POlka]

I recommend King Yaos book alot especially if you lack the basics. Handicapping is not about picking Winners but finding valuable situations. If you are going for the approach you described in your post concentrating on the 4 best teams in eredivisie you are most likely going to lose in the longrun because these lines will be tough to beat most of the time.

Id like to give you an example(hidden brag ;-)) for a recent soccer bet i made. Bayern Munich wich have a killer Team these season had a tough 120min cup game. The day after they had a friendly against Rcd Mallorca with the start of the season only 4 days away it was impossible they would put up a decent Team risking injuries to their top players. The line startet -0.25 -0.5 @ -110 for Mallorca. Before the bookies put up their line try to make your own line with the information you have and see if you can find an advantage .

[FG Kicking Mule]

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Aren't there a couple of solid books on soccer betting published in the UK? I thought there was but I may be wrong. I didn't read them carefully since it is tough for me to get into European soccer in the U.S.

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The Racing Post series books The Definitive Guide to Betting on Sport and The Definitive Guide to Betting Exchanges have sections by Kevin Pullein that are good primers for betting on soccer.

I would also recommend Successful Football Betting by Geoff Harvey, Fixed Odds Sports Betting by Joseph Buchdahl, and Betting to Win by Leighton Vaughan Williams.

[dj_mercury]

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Hi DJ,

Thanks a lot for your reply.

I don't know anything about odds etc yet. I'm looking at the numbers on Pinnacle and I don't have a clue what they mean but there's plenty of info out there so that should be ok. My plan is to stick to the top 4 eredivisie clubs and take that very serious.

Moneywise I'm fine. I'm going to bet 2$ per bet and slowly build a bankroll. I'm in no rush and I can loose every bet the whole season and not care about it. It's a minor part of my pokerbankroll that I'm using for that. My main goal for this season is to get to grips with the basics of sportsbetting and learn how to do handicapping myself. I'm probably going to spend 10 times as much on soccer magazines and the two books about sportsbetting then I'll be able to make when I win every bet [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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First I would say that you start to understand the basic betting stuff, starting from what the odds means and how you can take advantage for them.
Then you have to focus on more than just 4 teams, compared to other leagues PSV, Ajax, Az, Feyenoord tend to win more than often by more than one goal against weak opponents, but the books know this and you will find yourself to ask how many times are they going to cover pretty high handicaps and this is a much tougher question to answer. I would suggest you at least to take in consideration the whole Eredivisie and maybe even throw a look at the second one if you can have a grasp on it (Gouden Gids first round odds).

Here is a list of books and description that you may find useful: European football books .

[TimsterToo]

This thread is turning out to be everything I could've hoped for. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I've additionally purchased The Definitive Guide to Betting on Sport and The Definitive Guide to Betting Exchanges as well as Fixed Odds Sports Betting.

Together with Sharps Sports betting and Weighing the Odds this should keep me of the street for a while [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I hear what you guys are saying about the top 4 also being the teams that the bookmakers can lay the best informed odds on so I'll start taking looking at the whole league. The first division will have to wait until I get more comfortable with this whole sportsbetting stuff. The Premiership and Champions League also interest me so that should be a lot to start out with. My bar is frequented by a bunch of Derby fans (I don't have a clue how that happened either [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]) so I should be able to get some perfectly good extremely biased info from them [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[TimsterToo]

Another question would be which 4/5 sportsbooks should I deposit for good soccer lines?

[New001]

Pinnacle.

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[deehell]

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As a bit of an outsider I've also ordered "The Football Betting Science" by Gary Christie which is 100% about betting on soccer.

The three of them should keep me occupied for a while [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Not a very good book Im afraid. I think you will struggle to find anything scientific. Some of the author’s comments seem a little strange as well. He doesn’t seem to grasp the Fundamental concept of sports betting which is VALUE or as it’s said in these forums EV.

The best book I have found for betting has been the "racing posts definitive guide to betting on sport".

It contains an excellent section on handicapping UK soccer games. It also goes into detail about value and how to spot it. A lot of it is aimed at the UK market but the core concepts can be applied to most sports.

Good Luck!

[POlka]

As a european you have a great selection off square books. Expekt aswell as bwin, bet365, stan james or unibet have often rediculouse soft and slowmoving lines. Pinny for sure is great, but even on a small bankroll i would not want to miss lineshopping.