$2/4 preflop question

[MarkSummers]

I'm having a debate with someone at a table about this.

You hold ATs UTG and limp in, the next player, a LAG raises. An extremely tight, but aggressive player in middle position makes it 3 bets. Both blinds fold.

There is $15 in the pot and it's $4 more for you to call. What do you do?

[XmasXmas]

fold

[rename]

I would probably fold, to great of a risk we are dominated. Takes a big hand for a Tag to rais an utg caller and utg+1 raiser. Being OOP for the rest of the hand sucks too.

[Nick Royale]

Easy fold.

[phosix]

fold even. maybe even with aj suited as well. if the blinds call it may be a different story.

[nooob]

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I would probably fold, to great of a risk we are dominated. Takes a big hand for a Tag to rais an utg caller and utg+1 raiser. Being OOP for the rest of the hand sucks too.

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not true. u limp in UTG and extremly laggy UTG+1 raises, i'm raising any pockets 88s or higher. to make the utg fold and isolate the lag.

limpin in UTG with ATs is weak. raise it up next time. that said, i'd call this and check/fold the flop without a draw or A. flop an A, c/r the flop to get the lag out and call it down.

[phosix]

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I would probably fold, to great of a risk we are dominated. Takes a big hand for a Tag to rais an utg caller and utg+1 raiser. Being OOP for the rest of the hand sucks too.

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not true. u limp in UTG and extremly laggy UTG+1 raises, i'm raising any pockets 88s or higher. to make the utg fold and isolate the lag.

limpin in UTG with ATs is weak. raise it up next time. that said, i'd call this and check/fold the flop without a draw or A. flop an A, c/r the flop to get the lag out and call it down.

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the fact that you do that is very silly. you cannot always expect orgigional limper to fold especially when the limper (hero) is a tag who wont let go of a hand sinced its ususally bound to have value. id say alot more ofton that not we are dominated, and if we do catch any peice of a flop we are asking for trouble.

and limping in with a10 suited utg is not a bad play at certain tables in fact id ussually limp or fold it. the only time to raise that hand utg is at a tight sane table where hand reading abilitys are more prevalant.

can someone yell at me yet?

[MarkSummers]

Just as I suspected. In this hand the guy i was debating with was the UTG and I was the 3 bettor. He called my bets on the flop and turn with no pair for either of us. I checked down the river and my AK won.

UTG, who I thought was a reasonable player tried to make some dumb argument as to why calling 2 cold to a 3 bettor is right because of the pot size. I told him he was crazy and that it's an easy fold. He knows this post exists and perhaps he will come to explain why he played it that way.

Whatever odds he may be getting don't matter one bit because he knows I have AK, AA, KK, QQ or JJ. ATs is crushed and has to fold. The presence of one other player still does not make it a playable situation.

[phosix]

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Just as I suspected. In this hand the guy i was debating with was the UTG and I was the 3 bettor. He called my bets on the flop and turn with no pair for either of us. I checked down the river and my AK won.

UTG, who I thought was a reasonable player tried to make some dumb argument as to why calling 2 cold to a 3 bettor is right because of the pot size. I told him he was crazy and that it's an easy fold. He knows this post exists and perhaps he will come to explain why he played it that way.

Whatever odds he may be getting don't matter one bit because he knows I have AK, AA, KK, QQ or JJ. ATs is crushed and has to fold. The presence of one other player still does not make it a playable situation.

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thats all well and good. but dont table coach just take the money. unless of course the guy is a 2+2er then take the money while you coach (m feekin 6 maxers at micros errrr)

[MarkSummers]

yeah he was a 2+2er. The hand was at worldpx and the games suck already there so table coaching is not an issue.