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Old 07-30-2007, 05:05 AM
HaiaN HaiaN is offline
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Default crai vs donkish villain

villain sucks, 45/15/2.5 over 50 hands
Is a fold better?

Cryptologic - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<u>HaiaN (SB): $123.70</u>
BB: $101.85
<u>UTG: $177.40</u>
CO: $267.75
BTN: $87.95

Preflop: HaiaN is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $1.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">HaiaN raises to $5.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $4.00

Flop: ($11) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">HaiaN bets $8.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $20.00</font>, HaiaN calls $12.00

Turn: ($51) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
HaiaN checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $25.00</font>, <font color="red">HaiaN raises all-in to $98.70</font>, UTG calls $73.70

/edit: no "maniac" anymore [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 07-30-2007, 05:11 AM
Casper05 Casper05 is offline
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Default Re: crai vs donkish villain

sure, but 45/15 isn't really a "maniac"
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Old 07-30-2007, 05:15 AM
HaiaN HaiaN is offline
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Default Re: crai vs donkish villain

"sure this is standard" or "sure this is a fold"
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Old 07-30-2007, 05:39 AM
KhalynYohrk KhalynYohrk is offline
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Default Re: crai vs donkish villain

I think with the strait coming in I would consider calling down after turn. Shoving isn't bad though, i dont think...
I would've reraised the flop though.
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Old 07-30-2007, 06:06 AM
RocktheCasbah RocktheCasbah is offline
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Default Re: crai vs donkish villain

I think reraising flop is preferable, since the 9 on turn isnt't a great card. Since villain raises to $20 if you RR you are committing yourself on flop which is better than on the turn IMO. As played I think I'd check-call turn
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Old 07-30-2007, 08:28 AM
HaiaN HaiaN is offline
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Default Re: crai vs donkish villain

Why should I reraise the flop? I fold out many hands that I will get value from and if he pushes I'm probably behind but commited.
I think the flop play is pretty much standard, the question on the turn is: what hands are in his range and what is he going to do with them (check behind, bet/call, bet/fold). Then I can make a decision based on how my hand stands against his range.
3-betting the flop just because I have aces is a bad way to approach the situation imo. I'm not talking about the 3bet itself but the reason behind it. If there is a reason for 3betting and it has a higher expectation it shoudl be used obviously. I think it is bad because
a) it folds out air
b) it folds out marginal hands I can get more value of
c) it commits me to the hand but if he pushes I'm far behind his range
d) there are not many draws

bet/folding the turn is not a gread idea imo because of a) and c) and d) but I have to call a push since he can easily have TJ or QJ and I am getting good odds.
c/rai is not too great as well in retrospect, because he can not have hands like AQ or KQ (preflop action, he limp-called with a pfr of ~15). If he would have coldcalled my pfr on the button a stackadonk is probably a good line to take (comments??) but not here, his range is heavily weighted on 2-pair, pair+draw and set.
Even though it sucks I think I have to play the hand passively now, do I call or fold to his bet? Take into consideration that I am out of position and he might bet again on the river and there are many ugly river cards (thats why I think getting it in is generally better than calling and waiting for the river. I might fold on an ugly river to a bet from a worse hand that he figures to be ahead which would be horribly -EV for me) c/c turn and river is generally kinda ugly


/edit: I just stoved a betting-range for him. He probably raises TT+, KJ+ and AQ preflop. You could add a few combinations of it into his range but he could also have air so that equals out.

Board: Qs Tc 3h 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.074% 46.07% 00.00% 1338 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 53.926% 53.93% 00.00% 1566 0.00 { 99, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
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Old 07-30-2007, 08:31 AM
Bulletproof Monk Bulletproof Monk is offline
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Default Re: crai vs donkish villain

i think i 3bet the flop because i hate checking any turn card
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:27 AM
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Default Re: crai vs donkish villain

somebody respond to my tl;dr-post?
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